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ziq OP wrote

2 more reddit comments from a panleft sub that removed the essay.

Yeah this seems like good-faith discussion worth engaging with. And the rest is pretty much in that tone. Thanks, no thanks.

Why is it that every real-life anarchist I meet is a wonderful person that wants to work with me/us but every anarchist on the internet is just this condescending ball of insults? You wanna do it alone, fine, there's the door. Last time I looked, this was "leftist discussions" not "angry screeds while I walk away from you".

And

This is pretty cringe ngl

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ziq OP wrote

The anarchy I talk about isn't an ideology like Marxism, it's a way of life that's existed for millennia. They live anarchistically and they're very open about it, refusing all authority that the state or anyone else tries to place on them. Holding no gods and no masters. They don't need you to speak for them and they couldn't care less about me or the anthropologist I quoted describing their anarchistic culture in an essay.

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ziq OP wrote

You point out some bad colonialist things Marx said & did but you realize that Marx in his later years also become interested in non-capitalist social formations & studied indigenous peoples like the Iroquois right??

Also while the Hadza are a communal people they would not call themselves anarchists, it's not right to appropriate or label them as "anarchistic" (or marxist) for political brownie points. The Hadza are neither anarchists or marxists

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ziq OP wrote

This essay should give you more context about my critique of community:

https://raddle.me/wiki/friendship

You don't have to agree with me about the flaws of community, anarchy is a rainbow with more flavors than I can keep track of. I think the most sustainable mutual aid would arise in a union of egoists though, because everyone is contributing because it serves their interest to contribute, rather than out of some misplaced sense of duty, which will inevitably create disappointment, burn-out and alienation when certain people end up giving a lot more than others and getting nothing back. Labor division, which is a feature of community, always creates power imbalances.

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ziq OP wrote

r/AnarchismZ comment:

Well, shit. I don't know what actually qualifies as anarchist. It sounds like the crusties I used to hop trains with are the only genuine anarchists I've ever met. If I'm to take this essay seriously, and I really must (I'm selfishly grateful to read a real takedown of online ML authoritarian apologia), then i have to stop identifying as anarchist. I share the anarchist's distrust of rulers and governments and forces, but dammit, I'm still a communalist. I still want to live in a community. I don't identify with Stirner. I won't poison the creek with runoff from my science experiments because I care about the effects downstream. I am fascinated by the Hadza people you wrote about, but I'm not a primitivist. I don't know how I'd fare in the wild, but I'm not trying either. I like sleeping indoors. Please educate me if I'm misunderstanding, but the essay wasn't exactly subtle. If any community at all is authoritarian, then I have to stop calling myself an anarchist, and have to part ways with anarchism. "Mutual Aid" has the word mutual in it, right? Again, if I'm being obtuse, well then I'm obtuse. But believe me when I write that this comment is in the spirit of wishing to learn from others. I am not attacking your ideas.

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ziq OP wrote

If you're really concerned about equality, increasing our dependence on technology is going to do the opposite of make us equal. Expertise creates inequality and the more advanced the technology, the more advanced the expertise and thus the bigger gap there is between experts and non experts.

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ziq OP wrote

Reddit comments.

Damn, that was interesting.

I guess the only thing that I felt was a little offputting were the various parts of the essay which had some implicit anprim elements, and well... let’s just say that’s cringe.

EDIT: oh actually, reading his other stuff reveals he actually is an anprim. Damn what a shame.

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