/u/ziq Do we seriously have truscum on this website or was that just an example? If so, that's gross.

I still don't see how someone can compare being 'bullied and excluded' to 'literally publicly executed in multiple countries'. The concern is cishet ace people entering queer spaces and acting like a cishet person, which is something I've definitely had the pleasure of dealing with in the past. It alone doesn't make them queer, because there is no institutional nor major social oppression based on asexuality alone.

People are bullied and excluded for a lot of things; not all of those make you queer. Queer people have faced a specific and long-standing oppression, and ace people have not faced anything similar. The communities can overlap, but cishet ace people are just as shitty as any other cishet person.

But why are cis/het ace people queer? They don't face any of the same oppressions as queer folk do, and so far as I can tell aren't illegal in half the world nor openly murdered.

I'm not sure who thinks NB people aren't though, given a lot of major queer figures historically were NB.

Go fuck yourself too.

I'd like Elser to have set his bomb off 13 minutes earlier.

Waiting until you lift consistently enough and... enough enough for them to call the police and get you in real deep shit.

In other news, water is wet.

At least I got the thread right, given this is the one that's been most controversial.

Keep doubling down. It's fucking awesome.

It's like if a TERF showed up and they wer eilke "My cONtRaVERsaL idEA is THat tRANies r mEN"

Is saying that I'm "like if a TERF showed up" not comparing me to a TERF, somehow?

You engaged with me. You keep doing you.

Your point has been that queer identities are invalidated by dipshits for ace people - I, as a trans woman, got compared to a TERF for thinking "ace" doesn't qualify as queer alone.

I think its exemplary that people aren't in any interaction or understanding and just in elevating themselves against whatever they see as their "inferior", given we're both relying on generalizing examples of invalidating trans women.

I didn't say you did. I said I got compared to one. In the comment this entire thread is a reply to. There was no 'try'.

I said I'm ace exclusionist and got compared to a terf, you cited people who aren't me in an argument against it, and I'm still not sure what you were actually trying to say.

That statement was all I put forward, and your argument has been people that aren't me, so I guess we're in agreement if you don't think the statement is false?

I confront transphobes plenty, especially in real life, but spamming the site isn't "confronting" them - its just making the site a pain to use, and they can just block you and keep posting. Just get them banned.

And go fuck yourself for implying I'm some kind of assimilationist coward or something.

I heard the point. I said those people sound like dipshits. I don't see how those dipshits make the statement false, or how they can be used to generalize others so easily.

I don't like transphobes, hence not wanting everything on the site to center around them.

That sounds absolutely disgusting, and those people sound like dipshits looking for ways to validate themselves at the expense of others.

But that doesn't seem to invalidate 'ace doesn't make you queer' as a statement, I don't think.

The issue is that other queer folk, especially the Tumblr 'soft boi' types will often smooth the way in for cishet people bringing themselves in and in the process hurt the most marginalized people actually involved.

I'm not familiar with how it could harm vulnerable people, though I'm open to hearing.

I don't think I've ever met anyone who actually thinks that queer ace people should be excluded. "Ace exclusion" has always been centered around discussions of cishet ace people - that "ace" doesn't alone qualify as queer.

I just want you to stop spamming so I can click 'comments' and see something other than the same message copy-pasted ten times.

Being "ace exclusionary" is not even similar to TERFs in any way. If anything its about defending LGBT spaces from cishet people but go off

Yes.