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n_n OP wrote

You have you view and I have mine. At least that point has been clarified, that's something positive I guess. I won't going to bother you any more. I don't have more to say so the discussion can be closed.

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n_n OP wrote (edited )

minimum in that context does not mean at least one

How do you know?

Self-employment is the state of working for oneself rather than an employer. An employer is a person or organization that employs people. The US census differentiates the employers and non-employers in two groups. I cited the employers business owners. I'm also not talking about co-ops, who are owned and self-managed by its workers. Seriously, stop conflating working people with capitalists, it's disgusting. If you are done the so I am.

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n_n OP wrote (edited )

mom and pop stores and self employment are the same thing. they're both business ventures. they're both small-scale capitalism.

Self employed don't have employees! In the link that you showed me it doesn't talk about "mom and pop" business. "Mom and pop" means that they are family owned but doesn't necessary mean that they don't have employees. As I said, the link that I showed you says that mom and pop stores have a minimum amount of employees, means at least one. Self employed are not fucking capitalist. I know how to read. I specifically talked about the employers, those who have fewer than 20 employees in fact that are the majority among the small business employers. So what you are saying as the other user are unfounded opinions, you are smearing the self employed as fucking capitalists. Anarchist bookfaits are small capitalists? pff fuck you.

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stop stalking me on reddit, my time is my time and you don't own me

You are posting what are you doing in reddit here, I'm not stalking you. You are boasting your discussions with the nerds in Reddit. And you can take their insults and their struggle session with no problem what so ever. So how is it? Here you cry about being abused and that you don't have mental strength to keep going with the "struggle sessions". then you go to Reddit to keep insulted in that circle jerk?

Here we are not having a "struggle session", there is only me and you here. This is the place in which Raddle decided that conflicts should be resolve, so we gonna solve this conflict here.

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n_n OP wrote (edited )

You said that I wanted banned them because I think "that they are some kind of monster" because they support the self employees in response to when I asked you if do you think that the petite bourgeoisie employers are self employers. And THEN you said that you were fine if they are being robbed. You mocked me with that. That's just being an asshole piece of shit. u/Ziq

I'm done with your fucking lies, I will wait for other admin to intervene.

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n_n OP wrote (edited )

Stop fucking lying. I asked you something and you responded with that, I lived in the street and was abused and exploited by those "mom and pop" business employers all my life, they support the police and this fucking system, you insulted me and all the people that had and is exploited by them. I won't stop pinging you until you give me a sincere answer and resolve this conflict u/Ziq.

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n_n OP wrote (edited )

u/Tequila_wolf can you or someone give me a response to what I'm asking for?

Why did u/Ziq responded to my question and after said that "If I have to defend anyone would be the poor and exploited. Not the employers, be big or small." with:

Just because they say self employed black hairdressers don't vote for Trump, that doesn't make them some kind of monster.

Wanting to abolish work and recognizing that most people have no choice but to work in order to survive are 2 different things. There is no rule on that forum saying people can't defend self employed people.

There is no rule on that forum saying people can't defend self employed people.

And people are upvoting that and downvoting my comment! How can they be so piece of shit? And then you and the other started publicly shaming me! What the fuck is wrong with all you?! They said that the conversation affected their mental health, that is a load of bullshit. They were arguing in Reddit were people insult them in horrible ways and doesn't seem to affect them in the slightest, so this can be that much effort. I didn't said nothing mean to Ziq after they behave like a jerk with that garbage. So please, for the sake of resolve this conflict ones for all. Can I have a response? I won't going to stop because I'm still really piss off by that.

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n_n OP wrote

I am surprised you did not know.

I wasn't aware till Ziq pointed out. This is the first time that I saw someone mentioned it. There is still a lot that I have to learn.

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n_n OP wrote (edited )

It's adequate, the struggle session that is happening in other part of Raddle is not adequate. Ziq made a post about the actions that admins should take to tackle toxicity, then when I was providing context to them to resolve a conflict that was happening people start attacking me. People that were on their side and as far as I know they didn't do nothing about them. I don't see other admins doing that so that's why I called Ziq. That's why I picked Ziq to mediate, why people are downvoitng all my posts and publicly shaming there? I thought that they were against people doing that.

for no clear reason

Their responded my comment by trying to defend the petite bourgeoisie in an anticapital forum. Defend the bourgeois is being liberal in my eyes. You my digress but I have enough reasons to be against them and to be rude to people that defend them.

All this doesn't explain why they used the self employees in that way (their ending comment) only to hurt me.

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n_n OP wrote (edited )

i don't know the specific context

Thanks for the response but I think that you need to know the context here to help in solve the issue, if not your comments will make more harm than good. I will keep it constructive and there is no hurry. We can take our time if needed.

complaining that it isn't being removed fast enough is entitled and annoying

That's what I was talking about knowing the context. I'm not complaining on the timing. They already said that they will not take action and the explanation was that it was because it was not worthy of a ban. You really need to know the context to know what I'm talking about here. I never asked for people to be banned. So the problem is that they refuse to do something because they work in binary, do nothing or ban people. We agree that is not ban worthy, but saying that they won't do nothing keeps the conflicts going as they were going until now. If they don't have time then they should just say "at the moment I don't have time, I will see what I can do later", I can wait so the timing is not a problem.

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n_n OP wrote (edited )

About why they attack me saying that self employees are capitalists after that I said that I care for the exploited. existential1 at least was deflecting and trying to take the conversation to them and not about the group that I was talking about, but they recognized that they weren't the employees. Implying that self employees are capitalist was a low blow.

The lack of action about the ableist and sexist language that I receive by existential1 because they couldn't answer my question is other. Why Ziq kept saying that I was asking for a ban? Why can't engage with the abusive user like other admins and mods do?

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n_n OP wrote (edited )

I'm not banning them for what they said to you because it doesn't warrant a ban.

I don't know why you're under the impression that I ban people that don't think like I think.

I don't know why you're under the impression that I asking you to ban people. It's that all you can do? That's why you didn't do nothing? Now I understand why conflicts keep going here.

Just because they say self employed black hairdressers don't vote for Trump, that doesn't make them some kind of monster.

Wanting to abolish work and recognizing that most people have no choice but to work in order to survive are 2 different things. There is no rule on that forum saying people can't defend self employed people.

So self employed are in fact employees petite bourgeois, that's what do you think? Damn, you must be a gigantic piece of shit to think that self employed hairdresser women are capitalist employers. What's next, are you gonna say that they are also the police? Seriously, what's wrong with you?

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n_n OP wrote

You people can downvote all you want but it won't change nothing if you don't give arguments. u/Ziq you are not explaining why you won't going to do something about the ableism and the sexism. About the bootlickers, what happened to abolish work and the wage system? Why people are defending employers here? What's the problem with my statement against the private property of those employers when poor people is being jailed and workers are being exploited and these groups are being part of that exploitation? And why are people in Raddle are more concerned with what is happening in Reddit than what is happening here? This is a let down really. Fuck work and fuck wage system and fuck those who perpetuate this system.

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n_n OP wrote (edited )

"Maybe you don't understand" isn't an ableist statement

"your inability to understand" is ableist, the other adds to this one. And not knowing that I'm disable doesn't make it less ableist when they are speaking in despicable manner on disabilities like i.e receptive aphasia.

About the bootlicking I should have explain my self, sorry for that. I listed them here because I think that f/anticapital doesn't have active moderators. Please, try to take capitalist apologist out of radical forums, specially out of that forum in particular. People are being exploited as much by the petite bourgeois as the other employees. I saw enough protest against homeless people by "concerned" mom and pop business owners because they "harm their business" to know that they are as oppressive as anyone else. Again more than 50 percent of the homeless in the US are black. If I have to defend anyone would be the poor and exploited. Not the employers, be big or small.

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n_n OP wrote (edited )

They had just made the point that self-employed hairdressers in their community are also small businesses

Yes they did, they also made the point that they are not the same group than the mom and pop business. Read it again:

My point is that "small business" as a term includes very large "small" businesses, "mom and pop" shops, and self employed people.

So that argument can't hold up. They said, the part that I specifically contested, that the site was "not talking about "mom and pop" micro businesses."

This definition you give of mom and pop stores would include the self-employed black hairdressers they used to make their argument. Including people with zero employees.

Minimum amount of employees is at least 1, to include the zero employees it should be "with a minimum or none employees". But let's say that we interpreted that part differently, now DO YOU THINK that I'm talking about those who are non-employers like black women hairdresser and anarchist bookfairs when I said (before the"rob and burn" in all-caps) "The vast majority (88 percent) of small businesses employer firms have fewer than 20 employees and nearly 40 percent of all enterprises have under $100k in revenue." and the "petit bourgousie", and then clarify that I wasn't talking about the self employees. Can you explain me how the fuck can you interpret that I'm talking about the non-employer when I said that and why they keep talking about that? They said that the statistics don't include them so what is the problem anyway? They stated that they are not the mom and pop business so even if we put them in the statistics the number among the employers that support Trump won't going to change, their blame in perpetuating this oppressive circle is not washing away by accounting the non-employers that were left out. I'm sure that if their were included the total percent of Trump supporters will be less but as I said the number of those that I singled out in the employer group would be the same. So why they keep bringing that up? How the fuck do you interpret that I'm talking about PoC hairdresser and anarchist bookfairs when I was saying and clarifying constantly all that?

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n_n OP wrote (edited )

they seem to be saying is that self-employed aren't included in this grouping

I know, I can read you know.

You can think all business owners deserve to be robbed

When did I INCLUDED this groups and when did I SAY that all business owners deserve to be robbed? I already said in the whole fucking discussion that I didn't talk about that so you can't claim ignorance. For some reason they think that I'm talking about all business owners when I single out a very specific kind of business owners. I already explain myself of what I was talking about and they keep bringing that. We know that they are not included so whats' the problem? What they keep bringing that?

largely consists of white millionaires with dozens of employees.

I understand that they are included but on what are you basing that are a majority? Because it is stated that they are a minority in the sources that I linked. The self employed are listed as other group in the census. So I don't understand what they have to do with the "mom and pop micro businesses" who are employers.

think this misunderstanding came about because English isn't your first language

I understand English very well. I don't have any "inability" to understand English. My English is not limited to read, it's limited to write. Ableism is discrimination against people with disabilities or who are perceived to have disabilities. A disability is any condition that makes it more difficult for a person to do certain activities or interact with the world around them. Talking about my perceived "inability" to understand is very ableist. So I request that you do something about it and stop making apology fo that.

It is, by and large, not talking about "mom and pop" micro businesses.

My point is that "small business" as a term includes very large "small" businesses, "mom and pop" shops, and self employed people. So we're both talking about self employed people (maybe you don't understand your own reference table?).

I said that I'm not talking about self employed people so what they keep saying that we are talking about self employed people? First they try to brush off the blame on mom and pop business, then they deflect the conversation toward the self employees. I was very clear of what I was talking about. So why they keep bringing that? Can you explain me?

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n_n OP wrote (edited )

By saying "you are missing the point". Inability means lack of ability or capacity.

I still fail to see where he was defending small businesses.

Edit: That's not relevant to this forum. But why they are talking "large bussines" and that the article is not "about mom and pop" stores if not to defend you know... the mom and pop business that I said that it should be robbed and burned. If you try to defend the private property of the petite bourgeois in a forum that is called "anticapital", you can't call yourself surprised when anticapitalists tell you that you should get fuck off. What they are were doing it's called sealioning, and it's not the first time that this user do that.

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n_n OP wrote (edited )

LOL I will tell liberals to get the fuck off all what I want, more in an anticapitalist forum. If you are not going to talk about the ableism then what are you doing here? This forum is about the ToS. The "inability" to not understand is talking about my intelligence. I'm disable by the way and that user knows that. They are who are commenting my comments, they bring me to that and I will respond. u/Ziq are you gonna say something about these liberal bootlickers?

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