icycoldblackhandofdeath

icycoldblackhandofdeath wrote

Reply to by !deleted31085

Firstly, yes, you can be charged with distribution of CP just for advertising it even if you don't have it. I actually coincidentally read an article that addressed this recently. Forget the details, but might be able to find it if you need.

I don't go to those parts of the dark web, but from what little I know (and this mostly learned from news articles and word of mouth on sites like 4chan, so YMMV), most of those communities are non-commercial and require you to upload original images of child abuse to join.

I have also read conflicting things about how much money is made by those types of people. News articles from the 2000s indicate that it's a lucrative illegal business (generally by the same news outlets that cover an arrest for an ounce of weed and say something like, "the value of the drugs were over $27 million on the street"), while more recent articles suggest that those communities aren't run so much on a commercial basis as they are hubs for pedophiles to share their own content and organize as a cult-like pseudo-political movement.

If you use good opsec, you're not likely to get caught, but you'd probably have to put a lot into it to make it worthwhile and get your hands dirtier than you'd like just to make contact with those people. It's probably not worth it if your primary goal is making money. An old school Facebook catfish blackmail scheme would probably be more lucrative (and even then, not as much as minimum wage). If your primary goal is to screw over pedophiles and money is only a secondary goal, you could probably figure something out.

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icycoldblackhandofdeath wrote (edited )

Dangerous thing to assume. A Best Buy was in the news not too long ago for blatantly ignoring all sorts of fire code regulations, including flat-out blocking the exit. They got fined. You're probably right, but it'd be a really uncomfortable situation if you're somehow not. It happens.

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icycoldblackhandofdeath wrote

Reply to comment by Asa in Just some general advice by BigThief

I know that where I live, concealment is defined by state law as being automatic evidence of intent to steal unless proven otherwise, but an easy defense to this is that you dropped the merch at some point at a blind spot before leaving the exit. Concealment is specifically addressed in the statute, though, so. Always be familiar with your local laws.

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icycoldblackhandofdeath wrote

Reply to comment by BigThief in Just some general advice by BigThief

"With the intention" is an important phrase here, though. If there's even the slightest bit of ambiguity, a good lawyer could probably get you off if you were arrested while just walking around the store. For this reason, I'd imagine arrests made on concealment alone would be rare in most places.

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icycoldblackhandofdeath wrote (edited )

Great advice.

Doesn't the USPS having a 98% conviction rate mean that they just don't prosecute you unless they have absolute proof? Selling stolen things in the mail is a hard thing to prove, since they'd also have to link you to the thefts in most jurisdictions.

One of my friends was facing RICO charges a while back, but he was in a street gang. Do you have to be a part of an actual organization or conspiracy for RICO, or can you be charged as one person working alone?

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icycoldblackhandofdeath wrote

I've wanted to do this with a TV or six sometime. Are you sure that delayed exits must be marked as such? Or that the chain is following the law and marking them as they should in the first place? Perhaps do a test run sometime by going into the store without stealing anything and "accidentally" leaning on the escape so you can see whether the exit is delayed and how quickly staff responds.

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icycoldblackhandofdeath wrote

I mean, that's fair, but my point was that Home Depot is extremely unlikely to choke-slam you in the first place. They seem pretty well-organized. I know that some LP will bend the rules to some degree, and some managers might tolerate this, but even those don't want excessively violent, powerhungry idiots in their ranks.

It's always possible that you're the one guy in a million who gets struck by proverbial lightning, but your chances of being in the receiving end of LP brutality is rather low if you do your homework, don't instigate violence, and try to diffuse tense situations rather than escalate them unless you're absolutely backed into a corner.

Anyways, my angle with that was less "you should try to get hurt, that way you can make money" and more "even the worst of them ultimately don't want to hurt you for no reason, because they will lose money". You should still absolutely try to be careful.

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icycoldblackhandofdeath wrote (edited )

In my experience, even most things at HD that are tagged don't set off the alarms. Most of them are a visual deterrant.

I'm not sure about something that big, but in general, that's one of the easiest stores to steal from. You can just walk right out with whatever you desire. But their ORC investigators are good. I'm pretty sure the guy who bought the stuff I stole was working for them... Didn't realize it until later. Lucky nothing came of it.

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icycoldblackhandofdeath wrote (edited )

I always wear headphones to deal with receipt checkers. I hold an old receipt in one hand and smile and nod if it looks like they are saying something to me as though I can't hear them and assume they're just greeting me.

You're not required to have you receipt checked, so you can just politely decline, but with headphones you can manage to look more clueless than suspicious.

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icycoldblackhandofdeath wrote

Reply to Got Too Comfortable by jce

Receipt checking has resumed, and I have seen police respond to a shoplifting incident in a recent occasion (it was a couple of kids who presumably willingly went to the back with LP and waited for the police to arrive).

Walmart LP are not allowed to touch you, but they can call police. How effective this is depends on your local police response times and whether they have anything better to do than bust out the cavalry every time a kid steals a candy bar.

Walmart LP might try to build a case on especially prolific lifters (ORC and people stealing felony amounts), but generally won't stop you for previous offenses. You might be watched, however.

The towers do trigger false alarms, so that in itself is not evidence that you stole, but always try to walk through a blind spot or somewhere without cameras before leaving so that they can't say for sure in court that you stole.

I'd give that Walmart a month or two, just in case, but don't worry too much unless you walked out with six TVs or you've been stealing hundreds on a regular basis.

Parking lot cameras are good. Park in another lot next time. Who knows when they'll start using AI to scan the lot for known suspect plates?

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icycoldblackhandofdeath OP wrote

I think Wal-Mart LP is allowed to block the exit or grab your bag as long as they don't touch you.

I agree it was excessive force. I think a lot of us here would agree that wearing a blue suit and badge is all the reason you need to shoot someone, if you so desire, and it's very easy to think of security guards, LP, and the like as an extension of police, but they are private citizens, and the context of the situation applies more than it would to someone who consciously decided to make a profession out of violating other people's rights.

I would have either dropped the bag or flashed my gun. There was really no need for violence here. If the bag was really important enough to escalate the situation to armed robbery, a warning would have sufficed. LP will always disengage as soon as they see a weapon.

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icycoldblackhandofdeath OP wrote (edited )

That could work theoretically, assuming someone wasn't watching from the cameras. My idea is based on the theory that they'll stop watching when I'm paying, and if there's a problem, I can just play it off as, "Oops, I don't know why it scanned that way, wasn't paying attention, these are supposed to be on separate receipts anyhow."

I'm kinda hyped up on trying it as an experiment. Concealing would be a lot easier if every store in the state carried liquor, but in my state, every chain is only allowed one liquor location, so there's almost guaranteed to be LP presence at all times in the store. And it's not a store that plays with shoplifters in the first place. Lifting beer from Wal-Mart is easy, but hard liquor is more difficult around here.

I'll post back and let everyone know. BigThief gave me the info I probably need to pull it off.

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icycoldblackhandofdeath OP wrote

Yeah, some of the things you have talked about here would definitely attract the attention of ORC investigators. If I'm caught stealing two bottles of vodka or whatever, it's a ticket.

I do not want a ticket, though. LP tends to watch me at some stores. Was just accosted an hour or two ago by an off-duty cop who happened to be shopping while I was stealing medicine from a pharmacy. Still got away with it. But maybe I need to start combing my hair and put more thought into disguises.

I'll just make sure I have enough cash on hand and play it off as a machine error if anyone asks.

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icycoldblackhandofdeath OP wrote

I did the math, and if plastic 1.75L bottles can weigh anywhere from 60-90 grams, with a 25 gram margin of error... I could get away with it if I choose the bottles carefully. Exactly the same liquid volume, both made of the same material of the same general shape and thickness... this assuming they don't have AI, but maybe only Walmart has that at this point? And the AI only detects whether the barcode matches the item in question, so if I scan a soda bottle snd put the other bottle in the bag, it should be fine.

Thanks, I don't usually steal from self-checkout. Sketches me out more than a walkout for some reason. I've had people try to sell me on how easy it is, but also seen people on here post about how it's not the way to go.

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icycoldblackhandofdeath wrote (edited )

I'm probably going to be in the minority here, but you can and should listen to whatever music you want to listen to.

I'm a bisexual white guy, and I also have a couple of NSBM bands on my phone (out of 30,000 or so songs). I also have rappers with homophobic and violent anti-white lyrics, metal bands who have written entire albums about killing white people, and local artists who are explicitly anti-fascist or communist. I even have a couple of Christian-themed rock or rap albums that I found exceptional, even though I myself am vehemently anti-Christian. I'm of the opinion that if you want to be well-acquainted with art, you shouldn't exclude anything from your personal library purely based on ideogy. (I've known film buffs who are extremely anti-racist who list Birth of a Nation as one of their favorite movies due to its alleged historical importance in cinema.) I look at the lyrics through a lens of general misanthropy. (And I pirate all of it.)

There is something to be said about not giving money to certain artists. I'm not here to argue that if someone wants you and everyone like you to be systematically murdered that you should give them money that they'll use to try to go out and make it happen. On the other hand, if someone I don't agree with makes something good, it should be studied and learned from. Failure to do this is why Christian rock/movies/literature are so universally terrible - they try to make cheap knockoffs of secular art, but they're too puritanical to consume and study the stuff they're trying to emulate.

Anyways, black metal isn't really meant to be wholesome music. For perspective, keep in mind that the general consensus among that scene is that the main problem with neo-Nazi bands are that they're not evil ENOUGH. They are considered by some to be the less extreme and insane side of the genre. Not much of this genre is particularly healthy or happy, quite by design. Just get what you can out of it. No need to feel guilty about the paradox of listening to it.

I don't think that making RABM music is as intrinsically opposed to the nature of the genre as, say, "unblack" metal, but I have to admit that I've yet to hear any bands that have really caught my attention. Neckbeard Deathcamp's song titles have made me bust a gut laughing before, and leftists do make some badass death metal and grindcore. My advice go anyone following that route would be to study the genre in its entirety so that you can make good black metal first and foremost and then focus on the ideology. Otherwise, you'll only ever end up reaching people who already agree with you.

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