heckthepolice

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heckthepolice wrote

Ok, that makes sense. I actually feel like one of the big advantages of a worker-run rad porn site is that it would allow people to make a living through sex work independently without having to deal with those porn studios and their bullshit. But I definitely see what you mean, and obviously under capitalism making porn more feminist in content doesn't inherently make it less exploitative in production. It's definitely important to approach this not only from a feminist perspective, but from an intersectional perspective that also includes anticapitalism (and anti-racism, queer issues, etc.). I guess it's symptomatic of the wider problems with capitalist feminism.

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heckthepolice wrote (edited )

You're probably right about it not being very important to be able to make clothing; it's just an idea that occurred to me and I figured it might merit some discussion.

And yeah, non-vegan options like leather definitely have advantages over the vegan alternatives, especially for footwear. That's something I find interesting, that sometimes following strict veganism might actually end up being more harmful to animals and the environment than a technically non-vegan option and there may be cases where you have to take a more holistic approach rather than just following a simple rule like "no animal products". I hadn't really considered footwear much when writing the post, but now that you mention, I've realized that footwear is probably the one think that we actually would have to make post-collapse since it gets worn down through use, so that was kind of a silly oversight. I think it might be viable to avoid non-vegan footwear in some places, like where sandals are viable. And we could probably repurpose various scrap materials (rubber from tires for soles, fabric and leather/animal products that are already laying around, etc.). That said, we may very well end up having to rely on nonvegan footwear in many places.

My personal inclination regarding animal slaughter to get materials would be:

  1. Don't raise animals to be slaughtered; either hunt or use what you can when the animals you take care of die (or find animals that have died in the wild, though they're likely not to be usable).

  2. Only kill animals when you have to.

  3. Kill as painlessly as possible.

  4. Make use of every part of the animal you possibly can.

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heckthepolice wrote

I see where you're coming from, but there's also a difference between saying "mainstream porn is pretty gross and misogynistic which makes me want to avoid it; it would be cool if there was a better alternative" and "sex workers involved in mainstream porn are bad and personally responsible for its grossness and misogyny". Maybe I'm just misinterpreting what you're saying, though.

The majority of feminist porn is ironically even more exploitative than regular porn

Interesting. Could you elaborate on that? I've never heard that before, but you may very well be right and I am by no means an expert.

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heckthepolice wrote (edited )

I feel like it might be cool to have a specific forum for this kind of stuff. Maybe something like f/lifewithoutindustry or f/lifewithoutcivilization or f/postcollapseskills or f/primitiveskills or something? idk. Is there already such a forum that I'm just unaware of?

edit: sorta like the intersection of f/permaculture, f/diy, f/wild, f/green, f/anticiv, f/vegan, and f/collapse that doesn't really fit into any of them

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heckthepolice wrote

Didn't realize the rule had changed, thanks for letting me know. I think there might still be some value in creating a space specifically for radical porn, though, particularly one run by sex workers. Of course, this isn't something that affects me personally very much (except insofar as the general misogyny, cis-man-centrism, and general grossness of most porn makes me not really wanna watch/look at it and having a source of porn that's not so appalling would be kinda nice). I'm much more interested in what sex workers think about it, since it's most relevant to them and their lives

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heckthepolice wrote

That's a good point. I'm a two-steps-below-mediocre programmer myself, but someone more competent might be able to add some code to make that possible (or maybe just design a new system better suited to that purpose, if we wanna get really ambitious). Potentially we could also just use something like liberapay or GNU Taler once that gets off the ground.