haulonthebowline

haulonthebowline wrote

Reply to comment by a_zed_9 in Thoughts on AJODA #19? by a_zed_9

I say that these authors advocate pedophilia because the arguments they put forth are considered pedophilia by most people

Okay, but you are naming people who never made that kind of argument. They either published a booklet that included similar arguments (as well as opposing arguments) or edited the magazine that the arguments and for some reason you think that puts them on team pro-pedophile.

But do you think that not having sex or erotic play with people due to them having different abilities could come off as ableist?

Possibly. I thought twice about using that word but it accurately describes my thinking. I would never date or whatever someone who, for example, had a profound learning difficulty. I was thinking of a video I saw by a lefttube person about a neo-Nazi who is engaged to a 19-year-old whose learning difficulties mean she is childlike. The video is here: https://invidious.namazso.eu/watch?v=b0OsdkHelf0

As you can see, this is not the same as 'choosing not to date trans women by straight men reinforces transphobia.'

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haulonthebowline wrote

Reply to comment by a_zed_9 in Thoughts on AJODA #19? by a_zed_9

AJODA

AJODA isn't an obscure magazine. People tabled it all over the world. It was even for sale at news stands.

There is quite a decent sized community of pedophile anarchists on Twitter in my experience

But is there, really? How many people are you talking about? Ten? Fifteen?

Wolfi's writing on child sexuality...

You mean one short essay here. Stop pretending that there are books and books full of this stuff.

...is popular among pedophiles and some "MAP" rights anarchists. And while this popularity may be less than the popularity of his other texts in other milues I think you are completely erasing a milue he has been influential in.

Even the Heresy Distro person said that the text was lost until they published it a few years back. If he is influential in this shadowy group of Twitter anarchist pedophiles that you keep referring to (that no one else has ever heard of btw) it has only been so very recently.

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haulonthebowline wrote

Reply to comment by a_zed_9 in Thoughts on AJODA #19? by a_zed_9

I actually think AJODA 19 is a very interesting text and that more people should read, but there are several other people in the thread who seem to be losing their mind that anarchists/anarchism would be associated with such a topic.

Perhaps you should be clear about what it is you want from this conversation. To me it seems like you're swinging between trying to smear certain anarchists (or even all anarchists) as pedophiles (i.e. adults who want to have sex with children) and trying to hear what people think about AJODA 19. Maybe you're just concern trolling.

All I'll say on the topic is that the distinction between children and adults is arbitrary, as are the state's various age of consent (as low as twelve in some places, as high as 21 in others). The various customs around sex in stateless cultures are just as arbitrary. My personal position, and one I've lived by no matter where I go in the world, is that it's good practice to only have sex (or any kind of erotic play) with people of a similar age and ability to yourself.

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haulonthebowline wrote

Reply to comment by a_zed_9 in Thoughts on AJODA #19? by a_zed_9

This person who was tabling for AJODA

So now you're talking about a person who was sat at a bookfair with a copy of AJODA in front of them? I thought you were talking about a comment on anews from thirteen years ago?

there seems to me a growing number of anarchists who are self proclaimed pedophiles

Only in your mind, comrade. I've been around for a decade and have met most of the people mentioned in this thread in person more than once. I've literally never heard a single person talk about what you're talking about.

some of them draw on Hakim's stance of child sexuality

Again, who?

it seems they are more often influenced by Wolfi

Wolfi's writing on insurrectionism is very popular. His one short essay on child sexuality from the mid 80s is not. In fact, it was long forgotten until Heresy distro reprinted it for god knows what reason.

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haulonthebowline wrote

Reply to comment by !deleted23972 in Thoughts on AJODA #19? by a_zed_9

I could just be using the term a lot more narrowly tho.

Yeah I think the term has narrowed over the years. It used to mean more or less 'anarchists who aren't leftists' and included Zerzan et al. Now it seems to refer specifically to the handful of authors you mentioned.

A! had a long and varied story. He even had a leftist period way back, believe it or not.

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haulonthebowline wrote (edited )

Reply to comment by a_zed_9 in Thoughts on AJODA #19? by a_zed_9

Have you read AJODA 19? Have you read the pamphlet? Do you honestly think both of them are just page after page of anarchists saying 'we should all rape kids?'

Honestly, in the time you've spent whining on this thread you could have read both, realised neither are what you think, and moved on with your life.

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haulonthebowline wrote

Reply to comment by a_zed_9 in Thoughts on AJODA #19? by a_zed_9

I believe there are comments from Anews in 2007 recounting a member of AJODA defending Hakim Bey

What do you mean by 'defending'? If you mean saying something along the lines of '99% of Bey's writing - the writing that isn't about children - is really great' then you don't need to go to an anonymous comments section from 13 years ago. I'll say it for you right now. Have you read this https://theanarchistlibrary.org/library/peter-lamborn-wilson-anarchist-religion? Seriously, do yourself a favor: stop wallowing in libcom drama and read it.

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haulonthebowline wrote

Reply to comment by a_zed_9 in Thoughts on AJODA #19? by a_zed_9

Jason McQuin 'supported child-adult relationships'? Gonna need a source on that one.

to my knowledge LBC also distributes texts about child sexuality so i would lump Aragon in there

And to my knowledge you beat your wife.

Seriously, fuck off with this nonsense.

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haulonthebowline wrote (edited )

incredibly US and red-centric

The author is British. The 'Anarchist FAQ Collective' is bullshit. It's just one guy writing it.

The best thing about it is it's so long that literally no one has ever read it other than the author. Even his proofreaders only skimmed it, judging by how many errors are in there.

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haulonthebowline wrote

Reply to comment by a_zed_9 in Thoughts on AJODA #19? by a_zed_9

He like many other post-leftists (and even others such as Gilles Duave) supported (unsure if his or anyone else stance has changed) child-adult relationships

Who are the 'many other post-leftists' you are referring to here?

and in this text, and other texts, he encourages people to "freely share erotic pleasure with children"

Which other texts?

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