fucktheusa wrote

Also, you can only deal with the same 3 shoplifting questions so many times before it gets redundant.

Well, that's how you get new people into it, right?

The kind of content that forum was intended for is still available elsewhere if you know where to look.

Where? I was still finding it useful to have a place to ask questions. I like to do my homework before hitting a store. I'm still an intermediate lifter at best, so I would come there to lurk and read people's experiences.


fucktheusa wrote

I would look on the darkweb. There are people who offer such services, although I've never tried it, myself, and I can't vouch for their legitimacy. Look for an established seller with good reviews, as always.

GoodOldWorkingClass is 100% correct about the sellers on the clearnet. Those are scams with little to no exception, and it's also extremely dumb to link your credit card information and mailing address to a company offering to help you commit a federal crime. For all you know, you're buying straight from the FBI.


fucktheusa wrote (edited )

Please don't put words in my mouth.

Do I think that Target has DNA sequencing technology, ballistic forensics, and Pegasus-level spyware? No.

Do I believe that Target is able to afford decent cameras and machine learning algorithms, has the ability take fingerprints, and anally enter every incident into a database to search for patterns? Yes. They go much farther than any other major retailer (although I'd imagine that places like Home Depot are putting more into it these days than they were). I could see law enforcement using their stuff for low-level investigations. If you Google it (first result), they're using it for more than that: https://rare.us/rare-life/target-forensics-lab/

I don't think that they're easier than other retailers in general, because most retailers will just let you walk out with their stuff. I wouldn't do a walkout at Target. If you steal from Target, you have to be more careful not to create patterns, and you should conceal, but it's not like it's impossible, either.


fucktheusa wrote

Go ahead. They aren't going to put any effort into catching you if you stole a small amount one time, but there's a good chance they noticed, and they'll probably watch you.

GoodOldWorkingClass jokes about them sending a report to the FBI for help, but it's more the other way around. Target has crime labs so advanced that they lease them out to the FBI, from what I've heard.

But the truth of the matter is that Target isn't any more difficult for the small-time or casual shoplifter than any other hands-on store. If you try to steal a piece of cheese, they may approach you and try to get you into handcuffs if you resist, but if you act violent enough, they will disengage and call the police, which also leaves the possibility open for a robbery charge, depending on what you did.

Now, they do enter every incident into a database, and if you create a pattern, even if you're driving all over the country stealing the same things (or if you're just a repeat shoplifter at your local store), they'll figure it out and sic the investigators on you. They'll even start taking fingerprints, using facial recognition with stuff they scanned from Facebook, etc. They can do far more than your local cops are capable of. But the big boys with access to that are after the guys who grab $500 worth of Blu-Rays every other day and book it for the exit. Those people don't care that you stole a dress.


fucktheusa wrote

It just takes a little bit of experience. Your first few times, you'll get a huge adrenaline rush, and that might make you feel uncomfortable. We've all been there. After a few successful lifts, it starts to feel routine.

Don't get greedy. If you get a really bad feeling or have a suspicion that they might be onto you, don't ignore it. Dump whatever you took and leave. It's better to come back tomorrow than to risk leaving in handcuffs or getting some of kind of a more serious charge because you bumped an LP trying to get away.

But don't overthink it, either. Do your homework beforehand on LP policies, and you can shoplift with confidence. Remember that as long as you haven't passed the point of sale, you haven't done anything "wrong" yet. Remember that LP is after serious, organized shoplifting crews and that they really don't give a shit about you unless you're low-hanging fruit. Know your rights and the local laws. Know what LP is and isn't allowed to get away with according to store policy.

Pretty soon, it'll feel routine and even boring, no different from regular shopping, unless you're the type of person who gets addicted to the adrenaline rush. Some people love that, but I've personally never understood it. I just steal what I need, only make safe plays, and then GTFO.