fortmis

fortmis OP wrote

Mmmm I see, yes very questionable behaviour!

I found many of the arguments in his article about israel to be interesting and convincing. I'll see if I can find another source. It's something I hear people mentioning more and more (the Israel killed its own on the 7th story) so I'm sure there's better sources out there.

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fortmis OP wrote

ok, i see what you mean, this makes sense. maybe my problem is that i don't want it to be referred to as denial because it feels so much more aggressive than that.

could have to do with my personal associations with the word denial, and the illusions it seeks to maintain. to me, in gaza, there is no illusion. we are all seeing what is happening, the photos, videos, numbers, testimonies speak for themselves. Israeli propaganda is, imo, weaker and flimsier than ever. Western diplomacy is falling apart at the seams, an absolute embarrassment for the US. If there is denial, even in the form of rationalization, as you say, it doesn't seem to be holding very well.

am i making sense, can you see what i'm getting at? I'm trying to say that i think denial is too generous a way to describe what's happening right now.

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fortmis OP wrote

But I think that if anyone pays attention to stuff that happens in the world like at all, it should be clear that there is no international law and human rights.

super true, still i feel strongly that even though this isn't the first massacre and forced displacement even this year, there's something about the way this is playing out, real-time on everyone's screens that feels "unprecedented" (in quotes cause i'm so exhausted by this word lol) -- which is why i wonder if (and hopefully this clarifies my question) there will be a noticeable shift in how people talk about international law, human rights, and even the UN going forward -- seeing as invoking all three of these things has little to no effect on how the situation is unfolding and how israel acts.

i don't even really mean a "radicalization" so much as a... deflation? maybe? a kind of "womp womp" of international law -- the little hole in the bouncy castle that causes it to pathetically collapse in on itself. I mean the UN has never looked more useless imo

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fortmis OP wrote

i just sorta responded to this above but ya, idk if I am missing something here but I don't see denial. when people say, for example, israel is bombing people in their homes, the response isn't "no they aren't," it's "yes but they warn them first." Or when Israel lays siege to a hospital, trapping hundreds of patients inside without supplies, the response isn't "no they aren't," the response is "yes, but Hamas is hiding underneath."

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fortmis OP wrote

This looks interesting! I wonder though, how much denial plays into the current situation cause the way I perceive it, everyone knows that Israel is "breaking international law" and completely disregarding human life (even many pro-israelis won't deny it and instead see it as necessary for the cause) -- but now we are experiencing a warped reality in which even seeing this and knowing this isn't enough to make the powers that be force israel to stop.

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fortmis OP wrote

Reply to comment by Bird in Friyay Freeze n Talk by fortmis

omg you and your trees i'm obsessed. how are the other babies? I've been purposely over-watering my avocados as per your recos and the internet's advice. honestly i think it might be working but it's difficult to gauge. no dice on the loquat transplant, hoping for better luck next time. citrus trees are having the time of their life. hibiscus is loosing some leaves, they're yellowing... can't tell what is up there. I feel like my soil is cursed. had a friend staying at my place for a week and i think in their attempts to ensure the plants don't dry out, they drowned them all. lost so many to root rot cause I didn't catch it in time. growing things is so hard sometimes. i have a sudden onslaught of mysterious seedlings coming up. excited to see what they turn out to be. they have a good vibe about them. also banana root seems to be putting up new shoots thanks god. unfortch the new leaves are already tipped brown. argh!

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fortmis OP wrote

got a job at a newspaper, my first office job ever it's so strange, I have culture shock I swear. anyway, my head is in the news all day and it makes my time off feel very different from before. it's hard to engage with news etc on my own accord seeing as now it's my job. but it's all new so I'm sure things will change in some way. I like the roll-y chairs.

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