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db0 wrote

lemmy as a software isn't a political project either. Or if it is a political project because its devs are MLs, then Wordpress is a political project because its devs are liberals

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db0 wrote (edited )

Mhm, and they call me "Wrecker" and "liberal" from the hexbear side. I prefer to keep communication channels open because even tankies can help criticize capitalism and point out bigotry. If hexbears start harassing random people based on their own tankie-takes, I will deal with them. This has not been the case until now.

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db0 wrote (edited )

The opposite. Lemmy.ml has tankies but it has way more libs, and tankies are controlling themselves in their interactions to avoid leading to lemmy.ml being widespead blocked like lemmygrad and hexbear. lemmygrad is run by the same people as lemmy.ml. If this wasn't the case, they wouldn't need to run 2 different instances. They understand perfectly the need to behave to find wide-spread acceptance.

A lot of communities have in fact moved to other instances as the primary, so that tankie admins don't have influence on the discussions.

The most extreme tankies are already defederated almost everywhere already.

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db0 wrote

The hexbears were buzzing in 3 threads specifically, because they brigaded them. Not because they're regular visitors to lemmy.dbzer0.com

Overall, the loss of hexbear would not be significant. In fact hexbear was not federated with anyone for the longest time and most people defederated immediately from them once they opened it.

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Ye OK, but that's more like a generic instance with some tankie admins. They try to behave themselves to avoid driving all the liberals to lemmy.world. There's a reason why most instances don't have lemmy.ml blocked. But still, 6% of the monthly traffic would be annoying but not debilitating. But last time someone defederated from lemmy.dbzer0.com communities, their user base basically revolted and they added it back eventually.

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but I see you talking to the tankie posing as me on tankie-hive hexbear, so that's demonstrably not true. You think because you used your own computer to log on, that means you're not there? you're not making any sense

That's a different thing. I am talking about the OP you linked to. That lives in my server. I can simply use my account on my own server to talk on hexbear. That's what federation is about. If raddle supported federation, you would be able to speak as [email protected] inside hexbear. That wouldn't mean you are "enabling tankies". Me leaving a comment clearing some disinfo or defending myself in hexbear subs is not particularly problematic.

idk, I haven't kept up. they're defederating from lemmy.ml?

No, I have my own server in lemmy.dbzer0.com. I'm defederated from lemmygrad and a bunch of nazi and pedo instances. However there's plenty of liberal lemmy servers out there, most of which have also defederated from hexbear.

Do you really expect me to be chill about that? I was furious. I see you collaborating with the tankies that were costing me money and constant sleepless nights, so obviously I'm not going to have anything nice to say to you.

I'm sorry this happened to you, but I was not part of it. All I did is notice that the lemmy software fits our needs more than raddle and added it to the piracy fallbacks while also retaining raddle. But at the end of the day I decided to host my own server anyway. I didn't do anything to specifically spite you. I didn't have your insider info. I wasn't convinced by tankies. I wasn't trying to enable tankies.

All my actions since then have supported what I'm telling you. From me running my own instance explicitly preventing tankie subs, to me saying multiple times I have nothing against raddle, to me taking the whole hexbear on.

Fact of the matter is that I don't particularly owe anything to raddle or lemmy.ml. So this "betrayal" you are assigning to me is completely out of perspective.

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db0 wrote (edited )

Again, I don't hang out in tankie spaces. I made my own space. I run my own servers. I can put down tankies as much as I want and they can't do shit about it. Just check it the shit that's happened on the past week.

Just look at how many people are defederating from tankie spaces, they're not winning hearts and minds here. They can't even behave well towards anarchists who don't accept left unity.

I saw them lobby you with my own eyes on r/piracy. Telling you raddle has closed registrations and pleading with you to switch to lemmy, which you did.

Memories is a flawed construct. I don't remember it this way at all.

I also didn't throw anyone under the bus. I didn't say a single bad thing about raddle ever except that you had closed registrations. I even kept you as a fallback.

If you want to be anal about it, one could argue that in the end I "betrayed" both you and the "lemmy.ml" people since I decided to run my own server.

Once again, I'm not enabling tankies, but I also don't act like you and I disagree with you on federation. This is all it is.

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Yes, I triggered the hexbears hard in other threads in the past week and they're still very salty about it so they're brigading hard. Sadly most other instances have hexbear defederated so they don't even see the comments to reply. But you'll notice almost every comment not from hexbears or lemmy.ml tends to be supportive. Check my recent meta post to see what our actual userbase feels about me.

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db0 wrote

I think you all are very misinformed about lemmy atm. This isn't an anarchist sub in a tankie space. This is an anarchist sub in an anarchist instance: https://lemmy.dbzer0.com/c/anarchism

You can read that through lemmy.ml due to federation, but it's actually in lemmy.dbzer0.com.

Hexbear does have it's own anarchist sub, but it's only used by their dwindling local anarchists if at all. There's even more anarchists forums, such as the one on the solarpunk anarchist instance: https://slrpnk.net/c/anarchism which has hexbear and lemmygrad completely blocked.

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db0 wrote

Guy doesn't even know he was clowned by his tankie comrades.

If you think I consider tankies my comrades, you haven't been paying attention.

it's that he attacked raddle in his announcement and called it not a viable alternative because registrations were temporarily closed because lemmy was DDOSING us at the time, while they were lobbying him to move f/piracy there.

That's not what happened. Nobody lobbied me. I didn't even know about lemmy before I started looking for an alternative because raddle was locked down for months. You can't just make up shit.

Here's the exact announcement: https://www.reddit.com/r/Piracy/comments/rr5iu9/a_change_in_fallback/ I didn't even talk shit about raddle and I kept it as a secondary fallback.

You're acting extremely entitled here and spreading disinfo because of hurt feelings.

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Hey y'all. This is not a statement of any kind. It's just that having closed registrations for such long periods of time, is actually a pretty massive problem for a fallback site.

Anyway, I'm going to see how things run on lemmy and if I notice that there are tankie-related problems I'll probably try to self-host an instance of it. Lest assured, I haven't turned M-L.

Look, given that the theme is digital piracy specifically, all I need is an available forum, people who agree with the concept, and people who are going to clamp down on hate speech. That's all. If needed, I'll move the fallback again but I don't want to get into this sort of conflict right now.

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db0 wrote

Their argument is not supported by what we know of this era, where catalonians overwhelmingly supported anarchist forms of organization without "state violence". The murder of hated counter-revolutionaries in the form of the Catholic church which has been oppressive as fuck is a response to the horror of war and past grievances, not a result of anarchism per se.

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db0 wrote

The things that anarchist support as "seeds" are inherently incompatible with capitalism, and impossible to co-opt. Anarcho-syndicalist unions, neighborhood communes, LETS and even co-operatives and radical environmentalism would cause capitalism to collapse if they became widespread. It''s why those are fought tooth and nail by the system.

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yeah sure, it's because anarchist organization was incompetent that an unsupported uprising survived against the combined force of 3 fascist powers for 3 years, while at the same time improving production in the midst of a civil war.

And anarchist fighting against internal counter-revolutionaries which would have them all shot by Franco is not exactly surprising in the middle of a war. Get the fuck out of here with that propaganda.

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Anarchists recognise that the anarchist leaders back then did a terrible mistake. They should have dissolved the state as soon as the CNT/FAI took over. They naively trusted that the Leninists and Republicans would put differences aside in order to fight against fascism. Instead they ended up getting stabbed in the back as the statists they left in power consolidated it and undermined the revolution to retain it.

Lesson learned. It's why anarchists overall don't believe in "left unity" anymore.

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