black_fox

black_fox wrote (edited )

full disclosure: my opinion of Bellamy is colored by the things i've heard about him. but damn that dude talks a lot while saying very little. seems weird to me they'd discuss things on a left-right continuum too but maybe that's helpful to their conversation, i don't know. also seems weird to me when educated people entertain the idea of a "human nature."

i imagine a few people on Raddle are smarter than the people talking on this podcast.

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Reply to comment by black_fox in by ziq

black_fox wrote

pretty sure no one is insulted by being called a collectivist because i'm pretty sure no one cares. it all sounds like some peak ideological nonsense (using it as an insult or being offended by it) which i thought you were against.

no one is trying to shame you. pull the plug on this site if you're so upset about people shunning you. i don't care about LBC, your book, and especially Aragorn!. the fact still remains that you accused a trans woman of being her own harasser with weak evidence, and never apologized. i'm not saying clouds' hands are clean but she's owned up to anything she's done. you still haven't.

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Reply to comment by black_fox in by ziq

black_fox wrote

I was trying to think of another example of it that wasn't Aragorn or LBC and was drawing a blank.

i don't know i've lost my fair share of friends to shitty groups of people they started hanging out with

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Reply to by ziq

black_fox wrote (edited )

i think you should say what you mean more explicitly. i imagine you’re referring to Aragorn! or LBC publishing Atassa by people (or at least one person) who were in some sort of contact with ITS. also i’m going to assume by collectivize you mean organize or group together, and are not referring to the collectivization of private property.

i also think it’s worth mentioning that this dead horse has been very beaten.

so, why would someone not like someone for talking to someone who is associating themselves with ITS? maybe it’s moral grounds they don’t like killing innocent people. maybe they find rape reprehensible. maybe internationalism? they want to be in solidarity with their Mexican counterparts. i’m going to speak for myself and say the company someone keeps can make that someone seem untrustworthy. and because we can never really know someone for sure, it would be best to distance ourselves from someone with potential to harm. (edit:) i don’t agree with shunning someone but i don’t agree with not either. i don’t care what ideas others hold sacred. and i think when someone is criticizing you seriously and you are making light of it, it says a lot about you and how you might potentially deal or not deal with harm you’ve caused. maybe that makes me an idpol loving Maoist, i don’t care.

onto collectivization as you put it. is any group a collective? can individualists not form a group? this seems silly. following that logic having a reddit clone site that people gather on seems pretty collectivist to me. again, silly.

you seem to care a lot about people burning or destroying books while shunning people. these things, assuming they are true (i know i am), happened at book fairs which you yourself have said you have no knowledge of so why care? additionally you seem to accuse others of ideology but when you say books shouldn’t be destroyed what is that if it does not have at least, an ideological root?

Atassa is not a good book in my opinion because it is ITS adjacent, but because it seems poorly written with poorly thought out ideas.

lastly you seem to see red anarchists and collectivists as inherently bad, straw manning them in order to improve your own arguments. i’d agree they have their issues but i would suggest being vigilant to not strawman them. any critique of anything should engage with the idea truthfully.

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Reply to comment by black_fox in RIP Aragorn! by lastfutures

black_fox wrote

It's fucked up how apparently so-called "anarchist" outlets like IGD, Submedia, and even CrimethInc are completely stonewalling this...

a fair point but why must everyone say something?

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