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anarchist_critic wrote
Reply to comment by An_Old_Big_Tree in The most significant critique of the post-left, I think, with links by An_Old_Big_Tree
Nope, not messing you around.
Sorry if I started the name-calling here. To be fair, ziq is bullying me viciously on another thread and "smart-alec" isn't exactly a severe insult. And you seem to me to be nit-picking, in trying to make out that Dragonowl's critique applies to less of idpol than it does. It clearly applies to anything which is leveraging positionality instead of ego, even though all his/her/their examples come from one-axis idpols. If it's attaching value to a spook or positionality instead of Unique Ones, it's a problem for egoists... that's pretty straightforward and I can't understand why you can't understand that.
As for
you don't understand how intersectionality works
That's because nobody who uses the word seems to have a clear sense of what it means. Nobody's ever defined it. Because it's a buzzword. I've mostly seen it used like a magic wand to wish away the problems with idpol. OK, we've established there's multiple lines of oppression and they all cross over with each other and they compound or reinflect one another. What then? All the "intersectional" people I've come across still pull the same old idpol shit like "check your privilege", language policing, zero-sum demands that everything benefit the worst-off GROUP, the validity of someone's truth-claims depends on the group they come from etc etc. Except that now, even people from oppressed groups can be silenced using this rhetoric. And they're very hazy on what someone should do if a particular action benefits one oppressed group but harms another. For instance, suppose that having more cops at train stations makes women feel safer but black men feel less safe - should we be for it or against it? The one-contradiction idpols have a clear answer but the intersectionalists just dodge it. I've never heard a clear answer from an intersectionalist on how one handles these situations - with the exception of those who use "intersectional" to mean "black women come first - white men, white women, and black men are all oppressors". By all means try to explain it if you think you understand it better than me.
anarchist_critic wrote
Reply to comment by BigG in The most significant critique of the post-left, I think, with links by An_Old_Big_Tree
Ok, Mr. Dictator. Which innocuous everyday word have you decided is "ableist"?
If you're on about "insane" - you do realise that this kind of language-policing bullshit means you'll end up banning most of the people with actual psychological problems, right? Because, I know a lot of people who are schizophrenic, bipolar, autistic, and they all hate idpol and they all speak their fucking minds. The idpol etiquette shit is absolutely impossible for someone who doesn't have the usual hivemind groupthink and the usual checks on what they say. You are literally performing ableism with your narrow-minded ideological insistence on self-control and groupthink, and then dressing it up as anti-ableist! I don't know whether to laugh or cry!
This is absolutely classic crybullying... I've been subjected to endless insults without any redeeming logical argument, and when I lower myself to their level, they (presumably) cry victim.
And seriously... if you're going to censor me for my political disagreement with idpol groupthink (we all know that's the real stake here since you've turned a blind eye to endless vicious personal attacks on me), go ahead. And fuck you and your fake selective "anti-ableism".
anarchist_critic OP wrote
Reply to comment by BigG in Identity politics destroys anti-capitalism by anarchist_critic
Was that aimed at me or ziq?
In case you didn't notice:
hey fucknut, eat my shit (ziq) so you're the clown (ziq) Peak brocialism (selver) Fuck you. Go back to Reddit (zzzzxxxyyyy) It's very hard to believe that you're writing any of this in good faith (Tequila Wolf) you have no politics to engage with (ziq) smug privileged piece of shit (ziq) bro (ziq) utter nonsense (ziq) You're full of shit. (therealmidnite)
You going to do something about this? Or is your Third Way tone-policing and zero tolerance of expressions of anger restricted to people who disagree with you?
anarchist_critic OP wrote
Reply to comment by !deleted4371 in Identity politics is a movement of the upwardly mobile upper-middle-class by anarchist_critic
Where does E.P. Thompson say "class is an identity not a structural position"?
Tip: he doesn't.
anarchist_critic OP wrote
Reply to comment by ziq in Identity politics destroys anti-capitalism by anarchist_critic
anarchist_critic OP wrote
Reply to comment by ziq in Identity politics destroys anti-capitalism by anarchist_critic
Ur mums shit
anarchist_critic OP wrote
Reply to comment by anarchist_critic in Identity politics destroys anti-capitalism by anarchist_critic
"Brocialism and manarchism are umbrella terms for sexists within the radical left. Specifically used for those who believe that the creation of a socialist, Marxist, or anarchist system will inevitably bring about gender equality and that therefore no measures need to be taken other than the destruction of the hierarchy imposed by class."
When did I say this?
"Brocialism is the political, social, and economic ideology of those who claim to have Socialist or Communist leanings, but whose behaviour or beliefs are hypocritically sexist. A brocialist will probably even claim to be a feminist, and actively supportive of women's equality, sometimes in the same moment that they treat women like dirt."
At what point have I treated women like dirt?
anarchist_critic OP wrote
Reply to comment by ziq in Identity politics destroys anti-capitalism by anarchist_critic
You're larping a South Park character, right?
Next post will be "eat penguin shit you ass spelunker".
anarchist_critic OP wrote
Reply to comment by ziq in Identity politics destroys anti-capitalism by anarchist_critic
OK, here's some political claims.
People aren't reducible to their attributes or subject-positions.
Each individual has different experiences. Positionality is irrelevant to this.
The existence of police, prisons, schools, and work are just as much "structural oppressions" as racism or sexism.
Zero tolerance is authoritarianism. Perspectivism requires situational nuance.
Different white people think differently. There is no "white reason" or "white assumptions".
Different black people think differently. There is no "black experience" or "black point of view" or "black view of racism".
Whether something's racist is best determined by looking at observable patterns and not by reference to anyone's experience or positionality.
Oppressions such as race and gender are effects of spooks, and reinforcing their importance reinforces the spook.
Domestic violence is a downward displacement of legitimate anger with social level oppression, not a primary structure in its own right.
Disagreeing with someone's claims is not "silencing", "violence", or "erasure". It is not a threat to the person's existence, because we don't have to be agreed with by everyone to exist.
Criminalising things aids a bigger enemy so as to score victories over smaller enemies.
Criminalising things does not make them any less likely to happen. Sometimes it makes them more likely to happen.
Imposing a spook as more important than someone's uniqueness is oppressive, whether it's done by a "privileged group" or an "oppressed group".
Rebut away, motherfucker. (Hint: "you're shit" and "eat my shit" aren't rebuttals).
anarchist_critic OP wrote
Reply to comment by ziq in Identity politics destroys anti-capitalism by anarchist_critic
Define brocialism then, numbskull.
anarchist_critic OP wrote
Reply to comment by ziq in Identity politics destroys anti-capitalism by anarchist_critic
Your tears taste so sweet. I am literally rolling on the floor laughing right now.
No one should be indulging your nauseatingly obnoxious theater.
Says the guy/gal/whatever who keeps posting idpol baitzkrieg then getting butthurt from the fallout.
So tell me, how are you and your tiny coterie of militant idpols going to overthrow the useless white reactionaries who apparently make up most of your country?
You've rejected individual freedom and egoism, you've rejected human rights, you've rejected class struggle, you've rejected just about anything that might appeal to anyone who isn't both 1) from a Certified Oppressed Group (TM) and 2) educated in the correct ways of articulating their experience... aside from a handful of guilt-ridden white college kids who'll act as your cannon fodder. I seriously wanna hear how you think you're gonna make an insurrection, revolution, whatever out of this.
anarchist_critic OP wrote
Reply to comment by ziq in Identity politics destroys anti-capitalism by anarchist_critic
According to anarchism, oppression is still oppression when you do it backwards. "Brocialism" is dismissing something based on the (perceived) gender of the speaker rather than the content of what's said. It belongs in the same dustbin as "feminazi" and "Jewish science" and all the other irrelevant ad hominem attacks on incidental features of the speaker.
anarchist_critic OP wrote
Reply to comment by ziq in Identity politics destroys anti-capitalism by anarchist_critic
You're flailing around throwing insults without actually engaging with my politics in the slightest. You can call me shitty, I can call you shitty, it's a draw, nothing achieved. Why bother?
anarchist_critic OP wrote
Reply to comment by ziq in Identity politics destroys anti-capitalism by anarchist_critic
You have a real obsession with shit, don't you? Did you used to get spanked for pooping your nappy or something?
anarchist_critic wrote
Reply to comment by An_Old_Big_Tree in The most significant critique of the post-left, I think, with links by An_Old_Big_Tree
OK then, smart-alec. How does replacing "let's be insane reductionists about how everything comes down to one axis of oppression" with "let's be insane reductionists about how everything comes down to a dozen different axes of oppression and we've got to be super extreme and insane about all of them" solves the problems raised in the article.
At least the one-contradiction version is consistent. The "intersectional" version puts itself in the impossible position of trying to be equally extreme about lots of things at once, and doesn't have any way to resolve the problem when they come into conflict.
anarchist_critic OP wrote
Reply to comment by ziq in Identity politics is a movement of the upwardly mobile upper-middle-class by anarchist_critic
Ahh, the glory of rejecting "western reason" so thoroughly that the only comeback you have is "this is shit".
anarchist_critic OP wrote
Reply to comment by ziq in Identity politics destroys anti-capitalism by anarchist_critic
Isn't it your bedtime, kid.
anarchist_critic OP wrote
Reply to comment by ziq in Identity politics destroys anti-capitalism by anarchist_critic
Attacking the source.
You have a problem with Russia Today? You'd rather we only post stuff from western colonial media outlets, and not from countries with less than average GDP?
anarchist_critic OP wrote
Reply to comment by ziq in Identity politics destroys anti-capitalism by anarchist_critic
You really can't see how you're alienating everyone with this bullshit, can you?
Seriously, I am LOLing at how the best you can do is throw out the words "nonsense", "shit" and "whiteness" and deny me the labels of post-leftist(TM) and radical(TM). You literally have no arguments, just brand-labelling.
At least half of America hates you so much, they'd rather vote for a fascist than vote for a moderate version of your kind of politics. It's time you figured out why that is.
anarchist_critic OP wrote
Reply to comment by !deleted1759 in Identity politics destroys anti-capitalism by anarchist_critic
Are you capable of rational thought, above the level of denunciation, buzzwords, and reverse sexism?
If so, tell me why the article is wrong.
anarchist_critic OP wrote
Reply to comment by !deleted4371 in Identity politics destroys anti-capitalism by anarchist_critic
Apparently, yes. Ziq and Tequila keep posting idpol bait, so deal with it.
anarchist_critic OP wrote
Reply to comment by ziq in Identity politics is a movement of the upwardly mobile upper-middle-class by anarchist_critic
That's the "shooting the messenger" fallacy. Attack the argument, not the source.
Also, you post non-anarchist authoritarian idpol shit here all the time, so shut up.
anarchist_critic OP wrote
Reply to comment by wild_liger in Identity politics is a movement of the upwardly mobile upper-middle-class by anarchist_critic
Class analysis isn't idpol. Class is a structural position in the material production process, not an identity.
anarchist_critic wrote
Reply to comment by An_Old_Big_Tree in The most significant critique of the post-left, I think, with links by An_Old_Big_Tree
Nope, not messing you around.
Sorry if I started the name-calling here. To be fair, ziq is bullying me viciously on another thread and "smart-alec" isn't exactly a severe insult. And you seem to me to be nit-picking, in trying to make out that Dragonowl's critique applies to less of idpol than it does. It clearly applies to anything which is leveraging positionality instead of ego, even though all his/her/their examples come from one-axis idpols. If it's attaching value to a spook or positionality instead of Unique Ones, it's a problem for egoists... that's pretty straightforward and I can't understand why you can't understand that.
As for
That's because nobody who uses the word seems to have a clear sense of what it means. Nobody's ever defined it. Because it's a buzzword. I've mostly seen it used like a magic wand to wish away the problems with idpol. OK, we've established there's multiple lines of oppression and they all cross over with each other and they compound or reinflect one another. What then? All the "intersectional" people I've come across still pull the same old idpol shit like "check your privilege", language policing, zero-sum demands that everything benefit the worst-off GROUP, the validity of someone's truth-claims depends on the group they come from etc etc. Except that now, even people from oppressed groups can be silenced using this rhetoric. And they're very hazy on what someone should do if a particular action benefits one oppressed group but harms another. For instance, suppose that having more cops at train stations makes women feel safer but black men feel less safe - should we be for it or against it? The one-contradiction idpols have a clear answer but the intersectionalists just dodge it. I've never heard a clear answer from an intersectionalist on how one handles these situations - with the exception of those who use "intersectional" to mean "black women come first - white men, white women, and black men are all oppressors". By all means try to explain it if you think you understand it better than me.