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alexander wrote

Either anti-civ is genocidist, transphobic, ableist, reactionary… Or anti-civ simply has a massive "PR problem": https://anti-civ.net/showthread.php?tid=325

This PR problem is inherited from primitivism.

In my experience, informing people isn't really helpful, because they are not looking to be informed. Consider telling a meat eater that eating meat is bad for the environment (or their health, or anything else, really). They will either disagree vehemently—without offering reasons beyond "that's a lie!", or similarly unhelpful assertions—or they will perhaps concede that you're right, but then go on to say they can't give up meat, because of some "reason" or other. I.e. persuasion and convincing isn't effective. I think anti-civ has more or less the same problem, and that it is psychological. The food people eat, and the technology people use, become part of their selves—their image of who they are. So attacking technology is seen as a vicious attack on their very person.

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alexander wrote

People these days learn about -isms by reading the first two paragraphs of the relevant Wikipedia article, or by seeing someone mention something on Twitter, or places like Raddle. 99% of the detractors of primitivism haven't read any primitivism. Just like 99% of the detractors of anarchism haven't read any anarchism. The only thing you're missing is that people are clueless yet vocal. It's similar to "but if we have anarchism everyone will just kill each other".

There's many things to criticise in anarcho-primitivism, and I frequently criticise them. However, the knee-jerk stuff about ableism, transphobia, is unfounded, and mostly espoused by anarcho-leftists—who, honestly, usually don't even understand their own brand of Anarchism™ beyond the first two paragraphs on Wikipedia.

Reply to comment by /u/boringskip in #anticiv IRC channel by /u/alexander

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alexander wrote (edited )

No thanks. I've seen the rise and fall of about a bajillion XMPP-like things, and I really don't have the patience for keeping up or learning these things. I prefer to use the computer quite seldom. I'll probably be on IRC in 2037 though.

Reply to comment by /u/yaaqov in anti-civ.net forum by /u/alexander

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alexander wrote

I don't. But I presumably picked it up from the past. I read a lot growing up. I've also always written 'æ' (like archæology) and '¨' (like coöperation). Sometimes I've even written 'x' for 'ct', like connexion. Never adopted "shew" though. I'm sure there's a method or reasoning for this, in my brain somewhere. '&c' and 'æ' are shorter than 'etc.' and 'ae'. ¨-accents make it a lot more obvious what's going on phonetically.

Reply to comment by /u/zod in anti-civ.org forum by /u/alexander

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alexander wrote

I sincerely do not care enough to spend my time hunting it down, sorry. Some discussion was privately via email, but there was some on the forum too. But I summed it up okay, so you're not missing out on anything by not reading it.

Reply to comment by /u/Defasher in anti-civ.org forum by /u/alexander

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alexander wrote

I don't know a single "authoritarian primitivist" (which is what I assume you are referring to) on that site. As far as I recall, the only mention of authoritarian primitivism was when people made fun of Ted Kaczynski's latest maoist tendencies.

There are a few anarcho-primitivists (including a rather prominent anprim writer), but it's not an anarcho-primitivist website.

Reply to comment by /u/zod in anti-civ.org forum by /u/alexander

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alexander wrote (edited )

I know it doesn't have SSL. Several of us have complained about it. It's fine though. It's a forum. Just use a throwaway password.

We're definitely not trying to "build a movement," "influence people," or any other leftist kind of thing. And as I've said elsewhere, quite a lot of us don't like Reddit/Raddit for discussions, so I'm not gonna defend the choice any more. But I can certainly understand how some people don't want to join the site. That's fine. But I have accounts both places, and lo and behold, I haven't gone up in flame just yet.

If you're happy here, then that's good, I'm certainly not going to force you anywhere. I'll check out the green subforum every now and again, and I appreciate that there are outlets for those kinds of things on Raddit, so thanks for contributing to that.

Reply to comment by /u/ziq in anti-civ.org forum by /u/alexander

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alexander wrote

I, and other posters — there was a minor discussion on the site about this — don't like the Reddit/Raddit forum style and mechanics for the types of discussions we would like to have. Furthermore, this website seems to be a very dominantly anarcho-leftist website (based on the news, existing subforums, and almost every single person who have told me to check out the website describing it as a site for "leftists fed up with reddit admins"), whereas a lot (most?) of the forum members aren't anarchists or leftists.

I appreciate the sentiment though.