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a_zed_9 OP wrote

Reply to comment by ziq in Thoughts on AJODA #19? by a_zed_9

Well that's dumb, didn't realize off site activity was bannable. But if ghats the case i don't understand why you havent done so already since I can already guess your response to some of the comments I've made on the IRC will be.

I'm willing to abide by the ToS here but if your gonna try and police my whole existence then it's not worth it to not be banned.

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Reply to comment by haulonthebowline in Thoughts on AJODA #19? by a_zed_9

But is there, really? How many people are you talking about? Ten? Fifteen?

Personally I only know maybe 50?

You mean one short essay here. Stop pretending that there are books and books full of this stuff.

Well there's also his essay "to be done with the economy of love". As well other texts on the subject in the Milue, such as this AJODA issue, or Girl Love which is promoted inside it, or NAMBLA which is both a communist org and has ties to Hakim Bey, as well as Gilles Duaves piece from the (I believe) left communist milue. So my point is just this is not some isolated thing. Plenty of people on the left and post-left make these same points about child sexuality.

Even the Heresy Distro person said that the text was lost until they published it a few years back. If he is influential in this shadowy group of Twitter anarchist pedophiles that you keep referring to (that no one else has ever heard of btw) it has only been so very recently.

I've only know these people for a little less then a year so I'm unsure how recently theve found tgese texts but it does not change that this viewpoint has existed for at least 30 years.

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a_zed_9 OP wrote

Reply to comment by ziq in Thoughts on AJODA #19? by a_zed_9

The link is in matrix, you should be able to find it there, again I'm not trying to get banned. And yes people have written about lots of taboo subjects in relation to anarchy for example black seed six includes a essay on infanticide. That doesn't mean you have to agree with it, as agreeing with something just because it's "anarchy" is ideological, but there's a reason people come to these connections.

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a_zed_9 OP wrote

Reply to comment by ziq in Thoughts on AJODA #19? by a_zed_9

Again ive said nothing of child rape. But it is not just myself who has made the connection between this topic and anarchism. This text AJODA 19 I think is proof of the association.

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a_zed_9 OP wrote (edited )

Reply to comment by haulonthebowline in Thoughts on AJODA #19? by a_zed_9

Perhaps you should be clear about what it is you want from this conversation.

My apologies if the topic hasn't been clear but I am hoping to hear what people who have read AJODA 19 make of the arguments inside. I brought up Wolfis essay since it covers the same topic and is a text more people are familiar with. Because wolfis essay is similar, and it got a lot of backlash, and the fact not denouncing this piece may get one banned, I wanted to anticipate negative comments and ask how one separated these ideas from the authors larger work. A question I find extremely interesting since it seems to me that for people like wolfi and other post leftists who seek the complete autonomy if all things, as well as critiquing morality, saying this stance on child sexuality has nothing to do with the larger aim, doss not make immediate sense to me, so I'm curious how people do it.

To me it seems like you're swinging between trying to smear certain anarchists (or even all anarchists) as pedophiles (i.e. adults who want to have sex with children) and trying to hear what people think about AJODA 19.

My intention is not to smear anyone, if you take my words as a smear that is reflexive of your own values. I do not use any of these words in an intentionally derogatory way (even if they can have derogatory meanings). I say that these authors advocate pedophilia because the arguments they put forth are considered pedophilia by most people as most people just take pedophilia to mean anything sexual between a minor and adult. As well these works have been influential to people who take the label pedophile proudly for themself. So I do not use the term to smear, but to accurately describe the arguments and community these texts have been influential towards. Whether you thing that is a mark against these authors is your own opinion. I do not hold any negative opinion on these authors for these texts in question.

All I'll say on the topic is that the distinction between children and adults is arbitrary.

I completely agree. While this magazine issue touches on this a little bit i believe i definitely wish this line of argumentation had been explored more particular how this idea ties into identity abolition/nihlism/anti-identity. Since I think this argument is generalizable to all identity i think it is then easier for those not in this particular identity to understand.

it's good practice to only have sex (or any kind of erotic play) with people of a similar age and ability to yourself.

I do not want to come off as accusatory but simply to ask a question to spark further thought and discussion. But do you think that not having sex or erotic play with people due to them having different abilities could come off as ableist? (I would say this is similar to the argument made that explicitly choosing not to date trans women by straight men reinforces transphobia).

Edit: changed Dating to "sex or erotic play" since I realized the change in phrasing is not truly interchangeable.

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a_zed_9 OP wrote

Reply to comment by haulonthebowline in Thoughts on AJODA #19? by a_zed_9

So now you're talking about a person who was sat at a bookfair with a copy of AJODA in front of them? I thought you were talking about a comment on anews from thirteen years ago?

The comment from 13 years ago is about someone tabling for AJODA.

I've been around for a decade and have met most of the people mentioned in this thread in person more than once. I've literally never heard a single person talk about what you're talking about.

There is quite a decent sized community of pedophile anarchists on Twitter in my experience, that is who I am talking about here. If you are unaware of them that's okay but I'd prefer if you didn't make comments like "it's all in your in mind".

Again, who?

Again these self described pedophiles who are anarchists I am talking about.

Wolfi's writing on insurrectionism is very popular. His one short essay on child sexuality from the mid 80s is not. In fact, it was long forgotten until Heresy distro reprinted it for god knows what reason.

Wolfi's writing on child sexuality is popular among pedophiles and some "MAP" rights anarchists. And while this popularity may be less than the popularity of his other texts in other milues I think you are completely erasing a milue he has been influential in.

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a_zed_9 wrote

Im not one to shy away from antagonist in a comment. Meaning I want to challenge ideas I disagree with. Bit I see no point in this petty antagonist here. The point you are trying to make is already abundantly clear, I think already stated it twice. It'd be more useful to contribute something to the conversation then to egg on another ban.

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a_zed_9 OP wrote

Reply to comment by haulonthebowline in Thoughts on AJODA #19? by a_zed_9

This person who was tabling for AJODA. As well there seems to me a growing number of anarchists who are self proclaimed pedophiles, and some of them draw on Hakim's stance of child sexuality (and that of NAMBLA more generally) as a core part of their anarchism. Though I'll admit it seems they are more often influenced by Wolfi and Duave.

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a_zed_9 OP wrote (edited )

Reply to comment by haulonthebowline in Thoughts on AJODA #19? by a_zed_9

I have read AJODA 19, I havent read the pamphlet but it seems to be primarily a reprint of AJODA 19. And no, no where have I mentioned the rape of children. I'm also not whining, I actually think AJODA 19 is a very interesting text and that more people should read, but there are several other people in the thread who seem to be losing their mind that anarchists/anarchism would be associated with such a topic.

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a_zed_9 OP wrote

Reply to comment by !deleted23972 in Thoughts on AJODA #19? by a_zed_9

I will admit I have seen any texts that are written in this same fashion but there is still discourse today that doesn't focus on "danger and consent". Though the texts I am aware of that are more modern are academic and not part of the anarchist milue though some of them as well critique this motion of "consent and danger".

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Medicine produced by civilization. Perlman discusses this a bit at the end of Against His-Story Against Leviathan, as well his other critiques of the specialization of labor are applicable. But yes I would.

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a_zed_9 wrote

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I am opposed to the state, and to civilized medicine and I do not want to rely on/reproduce these institutions in my lifestyle.

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a_zed_9 wrote

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No I would never call EMS for anyone. And while i wouldn't report a missing person for the same reason I said I didn't answer questions about a missing person. But the reason for both is I don't think one should talk to cops.

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a_zed_9 wrote

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No, I also extend this to all "Emergency Services". I've been robbed and haven't called, asked if I've seen missing people and refused to answer, and have told people I won't call EMS for them.

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a_zed_9 OP wrote

Reply to comment by haulonthebowline in Thoughts on AJODA #19? by a_zed_9

Im not saying Bey isn't a good author or that he should be avoided. What I mean is there are still people who defend Hakim Beys position on child sexuality. Thus showing how this is not a time based phenomenon.

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