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Whom wrote

One part of it is that the places many of them hung out swung far to the right. Imageboard culture, for example, was always edgy, but in the last decade just about everyone got shoved out apart from fascists and fascist-sympathizers.

The hacktivism that happened there was replaced by targeted harassment and other worthless bullshit.

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Whom wrote

Reply to comment by bosunmoon in by !deleted20335

That is (at the very least) a major overstep. Say that MLK was only one facet of a movement with incredibly diverse tactics, sure. Say his tactics didn't push the movement forward as much as the more radical participants, sure. Say that his philosophy was too easy for liberal America to adopt, sure.

But to downplay what he did do and pretend wasn't a major force toward liberation of Black americans is either ignorant or pointlessly edgy. We should look up to MLK while also learning from his strategic limitations.

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Whom wrote (edited )

You might want to separate out liberalism as an ideology and capitalism as an economic system. Early liberals were often very idealistic and argued that it would be a path toward general emancipation. In practice this meant empowering white landowners, but there was a time when idealism of that kind was commonly a big part of the conversation among liberal thinkers.

They failed, of course. If you want to frame it like a conspiracy, it's of capitalists as a class, not liberalism as an ideology. Not when it was considered radical, at least.

(Again, this is super nitpicky lol, fuck liberalism)

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Whom wrote

Maybe a bit of a nitpick: It hasn't provided enough civil liberties, but doing so is undoubtedly part of the ideological roots of liberalism. The problem isn't that it was never trying to improve them, it's that by ushering in capitalism, they introduced a powerful monster which resists any attempt at liberation.

It's not like liberalism was evil in its aims from the start, it's that it was wrong and its means of achieving them are now our wall keeping us from progress. It was an important step toward both modern anarchism and socialism.

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