Tequila_Wolf wrote

There's been fun things while you were gone! Have you been lurking? People are using the chat rooms more these days; we got a few of the regulars to get on board. We've had listening parties for this new live weekly anarchist podcast. We did stuff!

Today's turning out to be such a nice day! I managed not to be arrested after being caught red handed by some cops doing some things, and I went on an adventure, and you're back :)

How are you? Maybe you should have a Dumai returns! post in f/lobby.

Reply to comment by /u/ziq in Should we own pets? by /u/veg


Tequila_Wolf wrote

Unlike dogs, cats domesticated themselves because forming bonds with humans was beneficial to them. All my cats were 2 week old wild kittens who were abandoned by their mothers and needed someone to feed them.

There's a decent theory that dogs also domesticated themselves. Basically it goes that there were likely wolf packs that became parasitic on hunter-gatherer groups for scraps, and over time the less violent ones, the more human-friendly ones were tolerated and evolved into dogs that way.
Sounds pretty plausible to me, especially considering how hard it has been for people who have tried to breed wolves.


Tequila_Wolf wrote

I wonder how farmed mussels are farmed. If they are farmed in artificial pools, for them to have B12 in them they would still need to be supplemented with the relevant forms of cobalt. So either they wouldn't have the B12 because there'd be no supplementation, or they would have to be supplemented, which might actually mean the same sorts of problems we'd get from supplementation anywhere.


Tequila_Wolf wrote

Regarding vitamin D and how vitamin D supplementation seems ineffective, I thought this was a interesting read recently.

The Shady Link Between Sunscreen and Your Health

(tl;dr vitamin D itself doesn't do much, "These rebels argue that what made the people with high vitamin D levels so healthy was not the vitamin itself. That was just a marker. Their vitamin D levels were high because they were getting plenty of exposure to the thing that was really responsible for their good health—that big orange ball shining down from above.")

I would be interested to see other people corroborate this!


Tequila_Wolf wrote (edited )

Mussels have responses to stimuli (Stephano 2002), including stress (Anestis et al. 2008), and as we have seen, may make decisions based on threats of predation ((Gartner & Litvaikis (2013); Robson, Wilson, and Garcia de Leaniz (2007)).

I don't know about domesticated species, but this is not uncommon for plants either. Sometimes intensely so! Giraffes have to move upwind as they eat because the trees tell the other trees that there's danger and they make themselves bitter.
So I'd be interested to learn more about this.

The case for eating mussels for b12 doesn't get any airtime in these articles, based on a quick readthrough.
An open question to Raddle on vitamin B12, researching harms as vegans, and Cobalt

edit: Sorry I think I linked to a comment in the main post and not the post itself; have changed it.