Stuckinthecity

Stuckinthecity OP wrote (edited )

I’m saying I don’t want this to fizzle out and all of those who suffered have nothing to show for it. I’m ultimately really glad all of this is happening and and want this revolutionary energy to keep up.

I’m making a lot errors replying to everyone so yeah, all for nothing not all or nothing.

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Stuckinthecity OP wrote

I don’t watch CNN, and I didn’t even know they were saying that. I got a lot of info from family secondhand and the anarchism subreddit (which i didn’t really go to much) and tibits of Twitter. But when I talk about opportunism I mostly mean erasure, intentional or not. It happens like clockwork, from things like appropriation to literally cutting us out of photos.

I also assume CNN brought it up in bad faith, and paradoxically by focusing on white instigators pivots the discussion away from those who matter. I did not start this whole thing to defend CNN’s garbage takes, I brought this up because a lot of the discussion I saw seemed to disregard some things that have nuance and is worth talking about. So it seems we agree, but some stuff got lost in the mix.

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Stuckinthecity OP wrote (edited )

That’s my main concern too. I don’t want this to be defanged and turned into another XR or disappear into nothingness. I don’t want those who died to fade into obscurity just because the state needs us to be oppressed to function. I want this to last and continue for as long as it should, and the best way for that to happen is for us to not be forgotten like always. That is my opinion at least. Obviously the cops need to be destroyed but I just hope those people destroying property will also help the people most in need at the same time.

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Stuckinthecity OP wrote

I did too and I hate that shit. The difference is that who did that thought they had power over you (they don’t) but I mean listen to black people in the sense of the popular phrase “listen to women.” Don’t listen to every single woman ever, that’s absurd, but don’t assume the worst of what we say and understand where we’re coming from.

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Stuckinthecity OP wrote (edited )

I’m not trying to divide anything. I’m am addressing the reality that black people have that some do not, which is we will be generalized no matter what. I specifically brought this up because opportunism from anarchists and not doing anything else (which isn’t true for every anarchist) is going to make all of this fizzle out into nothing.

A large protest being multiracial and anticop doesn’t free it from criticism. Also, narrative? How is the fact that this whole thing turned into what it was from our suffering a narrative and not reality? You don’t think that comes across as white, which pervades every aspect of our lives? Does whiteness being the monster it is suddenly disappear just because a few white people are anticop while simultaneously refusing to listen to even some of is?

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Stuckinthecity OP wrote

I wasn’t surrendering to it. And no, nonblack people not even taking what we say into consideration is not diverse tactics. I brought up the generalization because it is still our reality, and not something that can be applied universally, because we are so negatively affected by said generalizations. It is engrained into our lives and perception.

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Stuckinthecity OP wrote (edited )

This is putting in a lot in my text that never said or implied. I never said to side with police or call everyone an instigator. I never said Antifa was terrorist and I don’t think it is. And furthermore, I never said to focus on indiviuals or ignore systemic injustice.

People are really assuming a lot just because of listen to black people.

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Stuckinthecity OP wrote

How is simply listening to people and maybe giving something a bit of thought “liberal garbage?” Also, Candace goddamn Owens? You think I would stay on this site for this long and talk about all this if I was stanning fucking Candace Owens?

...I should’ve clarified something in the post. Listen to black people who are closer to anarchist than not, and see what they have to say. If you don’t care then whatever, disregard it.

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Stuckinthecity OP wrote

It’s really sad to see this here. I’m not trying to make bait or anything like that. It’s that a lot of discussion around the riots came across to me as protecting black lives or engaging in anarchism when they aren’t mutually exclusive. It wasn’t all from raddle but I may have to re examine that with these responses... We are all oppressed by the state. I never denied that. Some are more oppressed than others. You can’t a have revolution without marginalized groups.

CNN? Seriously? You think I’d stick around this site if I was liberal? Why so many assumptions here? Why are you thinking of what I say as dictoral? It’s just that actions have rammifications and consequences that unfairly fall onto black people. I explicitly said in the text that rioting and looting are fine. Loot and riot all you want, but if you ignore what a lot of marginalized people are saying, don’t call yourself our ally.

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Stuckinthecity OP wrote (edited )

There’s a lot to say here and I’ll try to be as clear as possible.

blockquote seems to me to be a quite selfish endeavor. You are pushing your idea on others by saying you or whoever says to stop doing whatever is speaking for "us".

That wasn’t my intent. I meant “us” as in simply being a black person myself, not to imply we’re a hivemind. If anything, I’m doing the opposite, like the title says; offering a case for why some black people think the way they do, not agreeing necessarily. Another thing is that there aren’t many leftist, anarchist etc. spaces that black people feel welcome offering their perspectives, and there’s valid reasons for that. I’m not trying to speak on their behalf, but simply explaining that it exists and why.

blockquote “Well, I have certainly spoken to black people who are fine with looting and violence, I have certainly seen some black people loot and participate in violence, and have also read about it! Isn't that crazy? It seems like some of your very own people may differ from you on this!”

I’d appreciate it if you tone down the condesension. Of course there are black people with different views. I lived that my entire life. The problem is that even when we don’t do anything, we are still blamed automatically or considered guilty. I didn’t mention other black people looting, because it’s not the same as someone non-black looting and us getting the short end of the stick regardless. The result may be, but fundamentally it is not.

blockquote Yes I realize you say in the next paragraph (to your own folk only apparently) something along the lines of "de-escalation isn't gonna work" but the fact remains that the "follow the leader" behavior that is being promoted currently (I actually logged in just to post something about this but decided to read this post because it seemed relevant) is fucking bullshit.

I added this part specifically for anyone who may be black, because they should be acknowledged and preferably speak up whenever. I’m trying to have them reconsider popular, often liberal, ideas. Follow the leader is a liberal idea, we agree, but descalation is popular specfically because a lot of black people’s understanding of the Civil Rights Movement hinges on that, which isn’t entirely correct. Diverse tactics is what made it succeed.

blockquote Telling people to get behind the lines and suppress their emotions is tyranny in the streets.

When did I imply any of this exactly? I’m saying listen and support black protesters whenever you can. They are less likely to be supported out of all groups. That is a fact of society.

blockquote Let it be, let the protests be what they will be. It isn't up to one or two or a few organizers or protesters to tell everyone what to do.

Again, where did I say only a few should dictate whatever? I’m saying to not forget why this all even began and who it started because of. Throwing the hard work marginalized people put in under the bus is a form of erasure. You, a nonblack person, doing whatever you want in the context of this protest is going to negatively effect its image, and all of the black people in it by extentsion. We are not given the freedom to be real indivduals, and tarring us with the same brush is the rule, not the exception. If you don’t give a shit what society thinks of black people, that’s great, but it’s not going to do anything by itself. Offering support, like bail money or shielding black people from cops, sends the message better.

blockquote Let the protesters roam free and learn what is really dwelling in their minds. Have you forgotten your own Malcom X?

Again, this is really condesending. He’s one of the reasons I went fully anarchist away from anarcho-communism. He is the reason for my addenum at the bottom, to talk to other black people and offer a new, less liberal perspective. I’m not a judge, or authority, or anything but concerned for people who have to take to the streets in the first place.

I’m on mobile so don’t mind the format errors

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Stuckinthecity wrote (edited )

Cancelling was, once again, a tool originally for black women to hold powerful, oppressive people accountable, specifically R. Kelly. Then, nonblack people once again changed the meaning and twisted into something mostly irrelevant. Some people say cancel culture doesn’t exist, but my personal stance is that it doesn’t exist in its original context, so it can’t by definition. I don’t consider forms of harrassment to be cancel culture, and that was never what it was intended to be, so I don’t even entertain it. I want real cancel culture to exist, i.e making sure powerful people face consequences.

The same thing happened with #MeToo, black women wanting the powerful to face consequences, but the main issue before was erasing its real creator. Now the issue is that the privledged people promoting it were all posturing, so again, I personally do not consider any of it to be a real #Metoo movement.

A lot of this may sound No True Scots, but the issue is that it never had a chance to shine outside of its misuse. No one really cared about this stuff until popular white people started mentioning it.

Edit: Actually, I’ll probably make my own post to follow up on some of this later.

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Stuckinthecity wrote (edited )

Rewrote in notes because my phone decided to stop working:

Oof...yeah. Nanny State. I hear quite a bit about the UK and its handling of media, Fair Use and all. I loosely follow some British gaming influences who often talk about it. The way the UK handles video games alone makes my head spin. I can’t even imagine how it handles everything else.

Something just dawned on me as I rewrote this comment—the US is actually in a really strange position in terms of copyright. The government, CIA, FBI, miltary, etc. have technology and use it to fuck over minorities, so I don’t know why they haven’t cracked down on digital piracy here. They could if they wanted to—the motive, money and tech are there—but they just...don’t. I can give you some theories (mostly some parts of the law are so old that it inevitably couldn’t keep up) but it’s still a headscratcher. Hell, I and other marginalized people don’t even get in trouble for it often. Sure, there are a few court cases and what not, but they’re so rare it’s like unicorn-hunting. That’s mainly why nobody really disscuses it here, because consequences never really pan out. A lot of us are also very ignorant of our own laws, even radicals, and that would explain the lack of dicussion too. I hope this gives you more perspective.

Reddit and Twitter are very easy to use as right wing platforms for a lot of reasons, but for “free speech” specifically—it was not considered wrong until recently. “Free speech” trumping humanity is not just an online idea; it is a very American way of thinking. Public figures, companies, and average people had this mindset since America’s inception, and huge, concerted efforts to curb it online is a very new phenomenon. The hatred was always lurking, despite cries of the privleged blinded by nostalgia. A lot of this is, to put it simply, because we refused to deal with issues all ready there. Maybe if stopped putting freeze peaches above all else before the internet blew up, it never would’ve got this bad. But, oh well, no time like the present.

Tumblr really only had an edge because adult content for non-WASPs was never shunted like on other adult sites. Other than that, it’s a hub of white feminism, so I couldn’t ever truly tolerate it. Comparing it Twitter or Reddit though, yes, I suppose I prefer it.

Well, the best way to convince them is to prove it isn’t true. Humans existed without capitalism and even democracy before, so there’s no reason to not try again.

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Stuckinthecity wrote

Basically, “I’m not racist, sexist because of x.” That’s a very shallow understanding of oppressive systems that I see too much of, and it’s exhausting. Radicals should know that everybody is racist, ableist, sexist, rainbowphobic and so on on some level. It’s just a matter of how much you fight against it. The internal struggle especially doesn’t suddenly stop because you’re leftist.

I want to write more but that’s the jist. My phone is acting up.

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