ShadesPath

ShadesPath wrote

Remember, seek separation and independence first. I'm not sure of the particulars of your situation so I can't be any clearer in my meaning but, in whatever form you can, refuse to take part any systems where these new regulations will apply.

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ShadesPath wrote

Also, focusing on "fun" ignores other ways in which competition can potentially be positive (e.g. by helping people benchmark & clearly measure their progress in various athletic/creative endeavours, providing positive feedback that encourages further self-improvement).

There is nothing that competition does that individual achievement or cooperation doesn't do save for excelling at creating ire between people. If you want to open up another pandora's box of a conversation, we can go into how useless and inefficient competition is but I feel like that should be saved for another thread.

Honestly though, if you want proof of my point, read this entire comment section. Being competitive in our argumentation has done nothing positive for nobody here but most definitely has negatively impacted the discourse, to the degree that OP felt like healthy discussion has been thrown out the window. Even just between me and you, I certainly won't come away from this discussion any better for it, not for any fault of yours of course but rather the nature of our discussion thus far. Like this comment was supposed to be longer to address your arguments but I realized that my tone was hostile so I deleted most of it because, by the end of the day, you aren't going to suddenly change your views, I won't, and we aren't really doing the original article any justice arguing points back and forth. I only kept the one counterpoint to transition into this paragraph.

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ShadesPath wrote

You seem to be going out of your way to avoid acknowledging that competition can be positive

I'm not avoiding acknowledging that competition can be positive. I'm stating outright that by itself it isn't.

Your argument that these are abstract categories of behavior doesn't seem to take into account that they are in fact real behaviors that all sentient living things have engaged in. It's not abstract when animals work together or fight against each other. With that being said, the enjoyment of competition comes from places outside of the competition itself because, intrinsically, there's nothing fun about competing. It requires cooperation to be fun by its very nature. It's never vice versa because the cooperative elements in competitive games are basis for how the competition works. You can't have a fair and fun competition if everyone involved is only concerned with their own victory. In cooperative gaming however, competition is never needed and only ever added for spice because working together never requires us trying to outdo each other.

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ShadesPath wrote

Competitive play involves both players adopting a mutually exclusive goal within the context of the game, which is why it makes sense to describe such play as competitive.

Yes...

And the fact that this is frequently done in a way that effectively accomplishes the shared goal of "mutual enjoyment" is evidence of the fact that competition is perfectly capable of being constructive & beneficial to everyone involved.

No. In order for competitive play to work towards everyone's enjoyment, everyone has to actively work for that mutual enjoyment. Competition, on its own, is never fun but competing knowing that everyone is following the same set of rules and is actively trying to make things enough of a challenge to help each other improve and increase the quality of their win or loss is what what makes the competition fun.

If you don't believe me, think about what happens when someone cheats, makes up new rules or changes them, becomes hyper-competitive, selfish in their play, toxic, starts throwing, etc. All of a sudden, the competition is no longer fun, is it? The competition itself hasn't changed. If you're in race for example, the race hasn't changed and the competition of it hasn't, but you guys are no longer working together to make it fun enough to be worth it with the additional effect of the competition now being harmful to either one or both of you either physically or otherwise. Competition, in order for it to be healthy and positive, requires cooperation between all parties, ultimately making it a cooperative effort in and of itself.

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ShadesPath wrote

The major flaw here is to assume that competitiveness and cooperation exist as exclusive binaries as opposed to being in a spectrum.

For example, Speedrunning is a form of competition that relies heavily on collaboration since the goal of speed running exists in two forms that feed each other:

  1. To find the fastest way to beat a game.

  2. To beat the current fastest record.

At first glance, they seem to be the same but they are actually quite different. The former can be seen as a collaborative effort between speed runners as they pool together resources to accomplish a collective goal. The latter is them actively seeking to outdo each other by being just a millisecond faster than the last guy, relying on their learning and skill to accomplish personal goals. Speedrunning basically proves that competition can be collaborative or cooperative such that one doesn't feel like they have to outdo their peers for the mere sake of doing so but rather they do so because they can pave the way for others to be even faster than they were. It might be the case that we need to change the nature of competitive gaming (for most games) and, of course, the nature of competition in the rest of our society.

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ShadesPath wrote

So, on the one hand, leftist/post left groups have made it so difficult for state infiltration that the State had to resort to forming romantic relationships with people in order to actually get in only to find out that leftists don't really engage in terrorism enough to even warrant alarm but they still try to destabilize them anyway. On the other, the FBI doesn't even need to try with the far right because the far right will fuck each other over over petty shit.

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ShadesPath wrote

Reply to comment by Kinshavo in Slightly different by Kinshavo

On the bright side, I feel a little validated that my slight consumption of vtuber content came in handy and it made me aware of the housing issues in Spain. So good meme, just need a little bit of info added.

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ShadesPath wrote

It also doesn't help that the notion that violence is a form of hierarchy turns people off since a lot of anarchists think violence is an absolute necessity but that's missing the point entirely. Violence is inevitable, there's multiple types of it, and everyone does some form of it every single day, but the point is that we understand that we are and reflect on our relationship with that violence. Ultimately, we should work on abolishing it much like any other form of hierarchy and that requires really digging deep into how we relate to everything and everyone around us but people make the mistake of assuming it's just abstinence from violence when it's so much more than that.

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ShadesPath wrote

To the people who were confused like me, the character is a Japanese vtuber named Kurone, famous for being quite adorable and an in-game DOOM eternal reference made for her. The top text says "drug flats" in Spanish, referring to a drug crisis in Spain, and the bottom says "Anarchist squatting", referring to the rising squatting practice also happening in Spain.

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