KillYourCiv

KillYourCiv wrote (edited )

Anti-queer? WTF? If something, majority of porn is anti-queer. The representations of transpeople in it are simply horrible and transphobic. And I wouldn't call average lesbian or gay porn especially queer friendly or unproblematic. So-called queer porn is mostly made for male gaze and for straight pervs who have some disgusting fetish towards lesbians and transwomen.

I can take almost any insult that has been thrown here against me without any reason, but saying that I am anti-queer is crossing a line. You made me hate you. Are you happy now? Fuck you and everybody else here. This place is shit and full people defending sexism and abuse of women.

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KillYourCiv wrote

The workers aren't bad and I have never said that they are. The existence of industry and the billionaires making the most money out of it are.

If this would be a conversation about some other business, probably we all would agree. But since it's porn, it is somehow different. Why? Why is abuse in porn industry somehow less bad?

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KillYourCiv wrote

All I'm trying to say is that porn industry is so full of shit that it can't be redeemed. But if that is not accepted we can't really help the victims of actual violence. If people just close their eyes and pretend that there is nothing bad in porn, the situation of sex workers won't be any better. I hate how sexist men at the top of porn industry are able to make a profit from the abuse and exploitation of sex workers.

And I'm not advocating here for some legal prohibition of porn. That wouldn't help. People should instead quit porn. Quit watching and making it. That isn't easy but in the end it is worth it. And the same should happen in every other abusive and exploitative industry.

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KillYourCiv wrote (edited )

So now you are trying to attack me by insulting. Sorry, you won't the get reaction you want. This only tells about your complete lack of empathy towards others. Have fun living as sociopath!

EDIT: You people are always the same. It's more important for you to gain respect among like-minded than actually wanting to make world a better place. It's all about popularity and narcissistic desires. Good to know!

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KillYourCiv wrote (edited )

Yes and self-harm is a real problem for many people. Not every form of sexual activity is safe or healthy. Just because something looks like fun doesn't mean it is. You can do things that you regret and that are bad for you.

Oh am I also a TERF now? You can check some time what I wrote about representation of transpeople in porn. And I'm also non-binary myself so there is that. But go ahead and just call me whatever you want to. That only shows the lack of any real arguments.

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KillYourCiv wrote (edited )

How do I sound like religious puritan? My main and only motivation here is being against violence and exploitation.

And I don't understand how someone can have consensual sex with someone who they don't want to have sex with? How that is even possible? Being involved in porn is mostly self-harm. And many former porn actors and actresses have told about their horrific experiences in the industry and how it wounded them permanently. But sure, you can just say that they are religious nutjobs and their experiences don't matter at all.

Almost all pro-porn arguments are cherry-picking and ignoring of real problems. They also tend to ignore the victims of porn industry. Porn advocates just brush away every uncomfortable fact and say they are lies of religious puritans.

But sorry if I said something that made you feel bad. Sorry to bother you with inconvenient facts.

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KillYourCiv wrote (edited )

If I get banned because of this, I shouldn't have come here in the first place:

I can't understand why people are so defensive of porn. Sure, I understand if you want to support people who are getting exploited by the industry. I do too. I have nothing but sympathy for sex workers. They are doing work that can be traumatizing and dangerous.

But here we get to my point; if sex workers face so many dangers in their job, doesn't that mean that there is something very wrong with work itself? I feel the same way about any exploitative industry; if some work harms people it shouldn't be supported. Porn is not inherently good. It isn't about sexual freedom of sex positivity (in fact quite opposite since large parts of porn is based on people having taboos about sex). Most of it isn't even nice to watch. Porn exists mostly because of needs of often troubled heterosexual men. Porn is deeply misogynist and sexist. You can't deny that.

So if porn is dangerous and harmful to sexworkers and sexist, why should we defend it? I don't understand that. Just because it brings pleasure to mostly male audience? Or is it some libertarian, freedom of speech type of thing?

I'm belong to a generation that has seen hardcore pornography since very early age. It has affected my ideas of what human sexuality is and should be like. I have also struggled with sexual addiction and porn gave me some very unhealthy views regarding sexuality. Without porn, my life would've been better. But this is not just about me. Many people suffer because of excessive use of porn. Do we just forget them or tell them to get help? That sounds like the very unhealthy views that society has towards people addicted to drugs and alcohol.

I don't just see any reason to be pro-porn. I want that we could live in a world in which porn isn't one of the most popular (and profiting) form of entertainment. I don't like the fact that there exists an industry such as porn industry. I can't just ignore all the abuse that happens in it. And I don't believe that the industry can be saved because the abuse has always been part of it. There is no "pure" and wholesome porn. Porn industry isn't about celebrating healthy and free human sexuality.

It could even be argued that porn itself is violence. Sexual intercourse with someone who you don't desire is violence. So why then it would be somehow different if somebody is filming it? Doesn't that only make it worse? And earning money doesn't change that.

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KillYourCiv wrote

Almost stopped reading when Jung was mentioned :D

But anyways, the article is a good example of pseudo-psychological nonsense. It's only aim seems to be pushing that false idea of a "true self" which is just an illusion. Instead of Jung, people should read Lacan. What we call our true self, is something that comes from our relationships towards other. In reality, there is no single "self".

And idea of "true self" fits very well together with neoliberal capitalism which promotes faux individualism in which the thrill-seeking, hedonistic and endless consuming self is seen as the deepest truth. And it's always wrapped in aesthetics of "authenticity" and truthfulness. But in the end it's just another word for consumer and personality enforced to us by the market forces.

When you start to live for yourself, you step into another form of consuming. It may be not based on old ideas of family life or patriarchy. But it's not an escape from capitalist hell.

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KillYourCiv wrote

The problem with pointing out crime inside porn industry is that conservatives have hijacked the conversation. If you talk about dangers of porn, you get lumped into a same category with some moralizing, anti-sex Christians. This is why some feminists won't talk about it.

In my opinion, porn in it's current form, does more harm than good. The amount of abuse included in it is absolutely horrible. And when some of the most popular porn is basically simulated incest and pedophilia (actresses are made to look like 14-years olds), it's obvious how toxic it is. Of course there is more unproblematic porn, but it's a small minority. Most porn just enforces sexism and glorifies abuse of women. And then there is the treatment of transwomen in porn which is absolutely horrible in every possible way. Most porn is made for sexist men.

And we should also remember that porn industry is massive and functions according to capitalist logic. It's about profit and actros and actresses in porn are paid often almost nothing. Drug use is a massive problem. It's hard to make ethical porn.

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