Green_Mountain_Makhno

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Green_Mountain_Makhno wrote

The cowardess of liberals knows no bounds. This happened in my state, and all of the reporting on it was, "well, we have to support free speech, even if we don't like it" and "the marketplace of ideas will defeat racism, it's the only way"

Jesus Fucking Christ. Fuck all these motherfuckers.

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Green_Mountain_Makhno wrote

Those are all excellent points. I completely agree that just because capitalism is gone doesn't mean that all of the historical power dynamics and general bigotry/sexism/misogyny disappears, and feeling entitled to sex would be something that a "utopian" commune would have to address. I guess I don't know the best solution, and I definitely don't want to put people in dangerous or coercive or exploitative situations. I think that to expect the situation to exist where that danger is gone immediately is naive, and a comrade's safety is more important than theoretical purity.

Thanks for the excellent and thought provoking responses.

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Green_Mountain_Makhno wrote

I think I get what you're saying, and I totally agree that taking on someone's emotional burdens and helping people work through intimacy, and sex itself is performing emotional labor. I support that idea.

When I think of abolishing the value form altogether, and maybe this is outside the scope of this discussion, but I think we must also abolish trade. If I trade you this for that, we are both establishing a value for those things and commodifying them, whatever they may be. If that trade is a fixed sink for sex, now we are both commodifying our labor and putting a value on it. For that reason, I am of the opinion that we need to think of all of our labor as basically mutual aid and solidarity. Maybe I purposely grow more food than I need and share it openly with any who need. When I have a need I put a call out to the community, and someone with those skills helps me. You do the same.

This can still mean that you and I have different jobs/roles in the commune, but that we realize that what we are all contributing is important - I will grow a bunch of food, and Steve will fix peoples plumbing and Diane will build tools, and you will help people cope with emotions/intimacy/sexual needs. And maybe that looks very similar to what you said, but I think the idea of trading this for that needs to go in order for us to really abolish capitalism. We share in the burdens and joys of life freely, not trading or commodifying our labor, but giving it as solidarity and mutual aid, and receiving the labor of others freely.

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Green_Mountain_Makhno wrote

Correct me if I'm wrong, but at that point it seems like it's not really sex work or prostitution, but solidarity/mutual aid. Are we on the same page with that?

I am not one who thinks that all must work in the factory for us to have full communism - I, because of my life experiences and disposition would be very good at certain things and willing to contribute to our shared survival in certain ways, and perhaps you would like to contribute in others. There will certainly be a need for physical and emotional support and healing, and developing healthy sexual attitudes, boundaries and relationships. I, while I would be willing to listen and help where I could with that work, would not be the best suited to it and probably wouldn't be able to help very effectively, at least not as effectively as others.

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Green_Mountain_Makhno wrote

I'm white, and I can recognize the centuries of oppression in the past and how that affects the present without being personally wounded.

If the threads on here "pushed you to the right" you were already there, this just gave you the excuse you were looking for. So if that's true, then get your racist ass out of here, you're not welcome.

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Green_Mountain_Makhno wrote

The amount of time per month that a women is able to get pregnant is much more than 12 hours or 2 days. Sperm can live in the female body for up to 5 days, and since it takes several days for the egg to travel down the Fallopian tubes and arrive at the uterus, you have to add at least 5 days to that number to say how long per month a woman can get pregnant. I reiterate, for most people in most situations, its possible for about a week.

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Green_Mountain_Makhno wrote

I agree with her argument, but it would help if her facts were correct.

women can only get pregnant for 2 day a month

It varies but its possible for closer to a week

its assumed condoms are 100% effective at preventing pregnancy

Condoms are 98% effective if used perfectly. Planned Parenthood estimates a real-world effectiveness rate of 85%, while the CDC estimates an 82% effectiveness rate

The pullout method is 96% effective

Its more like 75% effective

Men can't get women pregnant without orgasming

Yes, they can. Its called precum, and it's one of the reasons the pull-out method isn't an effective method of birth control.

Get your facts straight, then come back and make the same argument and I'm totally with you.

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Green_Mountain_Makhno wrote

My parents were both very conservative growing up - like had never voted for someone who wasn't a hardcore republican. After I left home for college and started to break out of that brainwashing my dad went Green Party - that's who he's voted for the last 2 presidential elections. My mom is still hard-core conservative who voted for Trump.