GoodOldWorkingClass

GoodOldWorkingClass wrote (edited )

As far as I know from the days when I used to work retail, employees are prohibited from following lifters. This is corporate policy so it applies to ALL store locations of a retailer. And employees means anyone not LP. This includes managers too. I've seen managers get suspended for running after customers leaving the store.

The policy makes sense because corporations would much rather lose merchandise than lose in a lawsuit from a hurt employee who got sliced by a lifter's knife.

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GoodOldWorkingClass wrote

This pretty much sums it up. Don't let stories of big lifts give you ideas about taking risks beyond your skill level. You'll get there when you get there.

Plus, vary your stores so as not to create a pattern. Not getting caught is the goal, and choosing your stores randomly will help ensure that stores don't have a clue about your lifts.

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GoodOldWorkingClass wrote

The real question should be, is anyone actively watching WMart camera feeds or are they just being used to review an event AFTER it's happened?

There's no way to know unless you've worked as LP at WMart, but if most of them have just one LP on duty (who has to do floor walking, and paperwork, and watch dozens of camera feeds), the odds are heavily in our favor.

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GoodOldWorkingClass wrote

It's really bizarre when you get down to it: minimum wage employees caring about corporate merchandise that's only cost pennies on the dollar. If anything, they should rejoice that lifters take back some of what corporations steal every day from the working class.

That said, when someone works for a company there's a sense of belonging that's hard to recognize as bullsh!t and let go. From that sense employees feel that they should treat company merchandise as their own. It's all ridiculous bullsh!t of course but it takes some time to get above it.

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GoodOldWorkingClass wrote (edited )

Have to agree with DontBeStupidCrimeSmart

If you've been in banking 20 years then you should know that you need valid photo ID for cash withdrawals at any bank and they're gonna write down everything about that ID in the back of the check (source: myself, worked as a bank teller and had to do this for a year and a half). So this only works if you have a fake ID in another name, that's good enough to fool the teller.

By the way, count yourself lucky in the US because banks in most western countries don't do check cashing any more. It's ancient and ripe with fraud opportunities (think about it: anyone with somebody's account number can order checks).

Not only do banks NOT give out account data to third parties, they also don't 'verify funds'. At least the bank I worked for didn't and it was a major national bank. I've never heard of third parties being able to verify funds with a phone call to a bank.

I'm not doubting that you've been peeling banks, but whatever you've been doing in banking, you're probably NOT in customer service.

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GoodOldWorkingClass wrote

Know-it-all jackass ... I like that. As opposed to what? What have you provided that's more than anecdotal?

I wasn't a cart pusher. I was a department manager and then an assistant manager, maintaining inventory databases among other things. So you can bet your rootie patooties I know heck of a lot more about retail shrinkage and LP than you do.

I don't live in a town, and there's definitely nothing sleepy about my area. If you think there's no LP in Canada, then you've got your lifting work cut out for you. Just come and lift here.

I think you should create a lifting forum where you're the moderator, so you can delete those who disagree with you. You don't take disagreement very well.

Now you can go downvote my posts some more until you feel better.

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GoodOldWorkingClass wrote

I applaud you if you have the risk tolerance to do only walkouts.

I, on the other hand, am a different story. So far i've only lifted for personal consumption and these are stores I go to again and again (even if randomly) so walkouts will definitely get me made ... eventually.

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GoodOldWorkingClass wrote (edited )

Reply to comment by Trizzle in Shoplifting From Winco by 2389d93dh

Not only are their cameras fake, they also have no security, which is why they make fake calls for security, praying and hoping we're stupid enough to believe security is coming out to watch us.

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GoodOldWorkingClass wrote (edited )

Reply to comment by theremedyman in Shoplifting From Winco by 2389d93dh

When I was a beginner at this I too used to think I had to go to these lengths to make sure I didn't get caught but the more I lift the more I realize how trivial it is. Seriously, it's nowhere near as risky to pocket razors as it sounds, though I understand the fear.

Pretty much make sure you don't have an LP tailing you (in which case obviously drop everything and leave). Other than that, if you can't find a place not covered by cameras, you can conceal with your back turned to the camera. I've concealed behind other customers' backs (perfect cover), or while covered by a large steel pole or by a stand display, or while holding a t-shirt in a hanger in one hand, letting act as cover for your other hand doing the concealing.

You'll find plenty of other opportunities on your own, the longer you do this.

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GoodOldWorkingClass wrote (edited )

There is no plausible deniability for walk outs, which is what we were discussing in the other thread.

How do I know ... what?? How do I know this works? I do it every day.

How do you know I do it every day? You can believe what I tell you, or don't. I couldn't care less either way.

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GoodOldWorkingClass wrote (edited )

One or two items at a time is my idea. My shopping trips are small. Were you planning to spend a lot of your own pocket money at stores?

I pay for two cheap items, pretend to scan a couple of more expensive ones, throw some smaller items in my pockets before I reach the register and it's been a nice day.

Rinse and repeat elsewhere/next day. Works like a charm! On average I only pay about 30% of the total value I walk out with.

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GoodOldWorkingClass wrote (edited )

Self scan fraud is the right way if done right, but what he's doing is suspicious and it has nothing to do with the self-scan part of it. You don't put your items in the bag as you're shopping around the store. Ask any LP and they will tell you that the people they watch are those coming in with bags.

The right way to do self scan is to make an attempt to scan the item you're lifting, then throw it in the bag, pretending it has scanned. THAT way, you have plausible deniability. You're on camera as trying to scan the item and if caught you just say you didn't know it hadn't scanned. It doesn't matter what they privately suspect. If they can't prove intent, there's no trouble.

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GoodOldWorkingClass wrote (edited )

I find that walkouts tend to REALLY piss off store LPs. I mean you're basically saying "Hey, look at all this FREE SHIT that you can't stop me from taking!

Based on what exactly? Your personal experience working as LP or knowing LP? It's good to give advice but this sounds more like personal opinion and unless it's backed by facts, there's no reason why it should be better than anyone else's opinion.

If you do a walkout even with something as small as a 24 rack of Labatt Blue, know that you're going to be watched should you return to that store

Again, based on what? I can tell you what I've seen when I worked as a retail associate. Not even 1% of the theft discovered after the fact actually made it to LP's attention. We had people steal as many as 8 boxes of high end supplements and the only reason LP even went back to the cameras is because the store manager ASKED him to.

The cases you see where LP actually make a stop at the doors are rare and they're based on extreme repeat lifters who don't care that they're creating a pattern. I worked full time in one store for five years and only saw two LP stops in that entire time. Both times, it wasn't done right, the stop was made when the guy was actually outside. Both times LP was given the middle finger; the guy just kept on walking.

I also like the use of headphones for plausible deniability.

This one's my favorite myth. Newflash: There's no such thing as plausible deniability for walk outs. If LP's had a continuous line of sight on you, they've met all procedural requirements to make a stop. Whether you cooperate or get nasty is a different matter, but you won't be able to just "talk your way out of it."

My last tip would be to act natural. They don't know what you're there to do until you clear that point of sale.

True enough, but the real concern with walkouts is the time it takes to walk from the last pay-station to your car. Based on the layout of the store it could be a long walk even to just the front doors. And based on what I've seen as a retail associate, most times doing a walkout you won't get stopped by LP. You'll be called out by an employee. They're not allowed to make a stop or even accuse you of lifting so they'll use indirect wording like "Sir, you forgot to pay". At that point it's up to you whether you call their bullshit and look at them square in the face and ask "Are you accusing me of something?", or just walk away, or come back inside and pay if that's your taste.

I didn't mean to sound harsh, and definitely not trying to discourage anyone from doing walkouts. Just wanted to set a few facts straight based on my observations.

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GoodOldWorkingClass OP wrote (edited )

$50 for the slim silver color metal casing pens, $75 for the gold color casing at Canadian $taples stores (probably twice as much as at US $taples) ...

... not that it matters. I just wouldn't pay for them period. I'm not the same person I was before I started lifting three years ago. Today, there are things I just don't pay for, ... like anything small enough to fit in my pockets or in my waistband.

The more I lift the more it dawns on me how trivially retail lifting is treated by the law. I can't believe i've been paying for small stuff all my life, with my hard earned money. Fcuk that sh!t. No more.

A lot of people say they want to find ways to get out of lifting, but I don't think I could stop. The lure of saving tons of money on your daily expenses is unbeatable. If I did stop, it would at best be temporary.

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GoodOldWorkingClass wrote (edited )

Reply to comment by Photia in by !deleted33708

Haven't tried the darknet yet but I have no reason to believe it wouldn't be crawling with scammers. If anything, they'd be even more predatory on the darknet because they know that people don't trust clearnet markets. Not saying there aren't legitimate vendors out there, but i'm not willing to be scammed for who knows how many times just on the chance that i'll eventually land a real vendor.

My main response to the OP still stands though. The whole point of lifting is to save the cash in your wallet. If we could lay hands on passable cash, then lifting and this whole forum would be pointless, no??

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GoodOldWorkingClass wrote (edited )

Reply to comment by Photia in by !deleted33708

To be fair, it's easier in a lot of cases to produce more than you can do yourself.

If THAT is the problem you have, then I hate to say it but you could turn some of your "production" time into free time and enjoy life with all the "good quality" fake cash you can spend.

It's time to be straight up and acknowledge that nobody has ever been in this fortunate situation. For one thing, producing 'passable' quality cash is next to impossible these days, with all the security features they keep introducing. I know for a fact that this is true in countries that have gotten rid of paper cash and have switched to polymer plastic bills. Assuming you can lay your hands on the polymer, the only thing that would print the required security features on it is a laser engraver printer that costs upward of a 100 Grant -- that's IF you can get the two or three unique makers of them in the world to sell it to you without having to prove you're from a government agency.

As for buying fake identities and CC's, I have yet to meet a seller that didn't turn out to be a total scammer. Don't believe their claims about what they can deliver unless you like wasting your money.

To answer OP's original question, if anyone of us in here knew how to get passable fake cash, don't you think this forum would be out of use?

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GoodOldWorkingClass wrote

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Just out of curiosity, why would someone SELL "good quality" fake banknotes?

If the bills are good enough quality for a buyer to be interested in using them, then why doesn't the seller use them instead of selling them??

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GoodOldWorkingClass wrote

Why would you hand LP your ID? It's like giving someone a rope and asking for them to hang you.

As far as I'm aware, no one has a legal right to see your ID except the cops on the highway, IF you're operating a vehicle. If the cops had shown up, you should've given the cops your ID (otherwise they take you in to see if your fingerprints are in their system). But other than that no, there's nothing LP or any other non-government employee can do to force you to show them ID. LP can't even search you until they become cops themselves (wishful thinking on their part and highly unlikely).

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GoodOldWorkingClass wrote

This talk of what they can and cannot do is all good, but I've personally seen LP block shoplifters's exit while trying to tell them to "cooperate". What do you do if the only way to leave the store at that point is to jump the pig?

They can block your exit because they know that no lifter in the right mind will get into a physical fight and risk an assault charge by throwing the first punch. They also know that in order for a lifter to make the case for unlawful detention or kidnapping, they'd have to get physical. Then it goes to court and becomes a war of charges: assault for you and kidnapping for them. Question is, who's gonna go that long route??

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GoodOldWorkingClass wrote

Do cashiers even have cash drawers any more?

I thought that was ancient practice. Banks in Canada have all switched to a central automated cash dispenser for all tellers. If you want cash, teller has to tell the computer how much you're withdrawing from YOUR account, then has to leave the station and walk over to the dispensing machine to get that exact amount.

That leaves only two ways to rob banks: the old-fashioned brute force of digging through concrete during the long holiday weekend when they're closed (assuming you could disable their alarms), or online hacking/penetration. Both require inside knowledge and luck that just doesn't happen except in movies.

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GoodOldWorkingClass wrote

Reply to comment by atusim in by thievin_shliev

The staff does not know any more about blind spots or the functionality of the cameras than the general public. Only LP would know all that.

Source: Myself. Worked for several retailers. None of them mentioned blind spots in our training. Cameras were never talked about either.

Really unless you're concealing in a very obvious way right in front of them, the staff most likely won't notice you. They have their own work to do and they don't mind not being bothered.

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