Dumai

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Dumai wrote (edited )

every country i mentioned has a muslim majority population -- you didn't just say "women can be head of state or government in officially christian countries", you also included "countries with a majority christian population". please stop changing the goal posts unless you would exclude america as an example of a largely christian country just because it is officially secular.

and once again, since reading comprehension doesn't seem to be your strong suit, i am not denying misogyny is a huge problem in the islamic world. i never said any of these countries were feminist utopias or anything. what i am saying is that there are enough examples of female muslim leaders and muslim feminist movements that you could probably do with acknowledging that the muslims who aren't misogynist are no less muslim than the ones who are

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secular subjectivities are pretty sexist

truth regimes in general are pretty sexist

if you want a radical critique of systemic sexism you're gonna have to do better than pin it on historically varied millenia-old traditions that each have gone through their respective feminist movements and are all still changing fast

i mean i come from a religious tradition (quakerism) that was affirming the inalienable equality of women by the 17th century

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Dumai wrote (edited )

okay but don't think you could have picked a more pressing women's legal issue in saudi arabia of all places over one that will literally be reversed in just over a month

It is not my opinion that Islam is inherently sexist

really

cos you could have fooled me when you said "Islam [is] a religion which precisely describes women as inferior"

but women can drive and have their faces uncovered and work and be president etc etc etc in most countries with a majority Christian population

hey here's a fun homework assignment for you. google a list of recent presidents and prime ministers for pakistan, indonesia, kyrgyzstan, bangladesh, and turkey and tell me what you notice

now again, that isn't to say misogyny ain't a huge problem is the muslim world. but i think you could afford to approach this subject with a little more nuance considering you're dealing with a religion of over 1 billion people who make a majority of 50 countries

I'm not talking about "groups", I'm talking about the institutions. I never mentioned individual people

it's great that you say so but it doesn't completely absolve you of reponsibility. there isn't that much distance between "islam is sexist" and "muslims are sexist" and from there "muslim women are too brainwashed to be a voice in their own issues" easily follows. you are perfectly welcome to criticise islamic institutions but you need to put more effort into doing so without feeding into racist discourses

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Dumai wrote (edited )

women can drive in saudi arabia now buddy, you had one of the easiest targets in the world and you still fucked it up

Islam being a religion which precisely describes women as inferior

see this is what i mean -- you're treating islam as a static legal system rather than a living, diverse body of traditions. i'm not saying there aren't problems with misogyny in the muslim world (as there are anywhere else) but i don't suppose islamic feminist movements factor into your opinion that islam is inherently sexist

jews and muslims are both historically marginalised groups and deserve to be treated with more respect than you're giving them

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Dumai wrote

a senior jewish home mk wished violence on a child and the sad thing is it probably won't have any impact on his career in the long-term

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in my experience most people who want to dress up racism as innocent critique of religion tend to be nu atheist types, though ur right i may have jumped the gun on that one

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god can you fucking imagine being the kind of person who'd complain about a policy banning anti-semitism because it hurts your nu atheist feelings

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i get on well with left-leaning atheist types but i really wish atheists like this person would wake up and realise how fucking boring they are

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Dumai wrote (edited )

anti-semitism and islamophobia are hugely racialised, more overtly with anti-semitism

i mean you can criticise these religions and do just fine! just don't spout jackassed racist myths in the process. i mean if i had my way i'd also discourage wrong-headed stereotypes of how these religions are practiced (e.g. the assumption many christians and culturally christian atheists have that these religions are primarily "legalistic" faiths without much theological or spiritual content) but that probably ain't a bannable offence site-wide

edit: tho if anybody pulls that shit when talking about islam or judaism on /f/palestine_and_israel i will ban your sorry ass from the sub because you'll have only demonstrated you have no hope in hell of discussing israeli-palestinian issues intelligently. just laying my cards on the table there

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Dumai wrote

of all the people i've met on the internet only like 2 turned out to be predators so i've got a pretty good track record so far

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hey egoists i've seen enough stirner memes to fully comprehend his thought and dismiss it out of hand so pls abandon ur politics already

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primitivists stop trying to take us back to the stone age lol here are a bunch of ahistorical stereotypes about non-urban societies LOOK HOW UPRIGHT AND ANTI-CAPITALIST I AM

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i, too, learn about opposing political tendencies solely via memes

hey leftcoms, gonna get outta ur armchairs and do something sometime soon lmao top bantz

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Dumai wrote

plastic-eating worms could help save us

we may soon owe our continued existence to worms who literally eat fuckin garbage

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i listen to a lot of old outlaw country but i just realised for some reason i've barely posted any if at all, damn

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Dumai wrote (edited )

"islamicist" is a slightly obscure term for an academic specialising in islamic studies

it does not mean "muslim"

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Dumai wrote

it probably should have actually looked like frida kahlo yes

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Dumai wrote

i have never done anything with diginity and i am not about to start now

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i couldn't actually recognise the smell of vaped weed and i'm a student. it was almost completely different

still be cautious but yeah

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how did you manage to perfectly describe my family reunions