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DeletedButArchived wrote

Reading through the support Eric king blog today sapped all my hope of anything. It gave me this intense frustration which I felt like the only outlet would be death. Which I assume is kinda the point of their actions. Fuck they got me.

Usually I'm pretty good at shaking this kinda stuff off but like, fuck. Thank fucj I dont have anything vital to do. Life sometimes feels like I realized Im living in hell with a bunch of people in denial about it. That blog was prob top 5 most effective things to get me in a very temporary state of having all desire and hope ripped out of my body.

Thank you for reading my who blog. Lol

Don't worry I'm fine. Being extremely depressed can be a fun experience in small quantities.

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DeletedButArchived OP wrote

Supposedly this is it. https://web.archive.org/web/20160203202443/https://www.facebook.com/patthebunnymusic/posts/656408277832146

I thought it wasn't it at first as it doesn't really explain why he feels that way. If there is anything relevant to this question thanks. But I think this is the main evidence

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DeletedButArchived wrote

i think the problem is these people can't shift themselves to a frame of reality that doesn't revolve wholly around consumerism, so their "solution" to consumer culture is to find ways to make the products of consumerism "free" (socialism, co-ops, shoplifting), rather than to reach beyond consumer culture entirely and recognize that there's no such thing as free when the environmental and colonization costs are so high

Hey, something we can agree on. Cool!

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DeletedButArchived wrote (edited )

I can understand that reason to not like people eating cheese. I'm not into the whole declaring anything as sacred thing but most people do view many things as sacred. So making the sacred argument when ethics is brought up makes sense and is a pretty good critique of it imo.

Clarification, I find a whole host of reasons to disagree with the whole sacred thing but it is a reasonable response to lemon bean. If you said that initially I wouldn't have responded.

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DeletedButArchived OP wrote

I think the original purpose was that but the names are so commonly ingrained I don't think most consumers are doing it on a conscious level. Mostly because people care free chicken is a thing and grass Fed lamb is a thing.

While the original reason for the name change seems to be from the reasons you provided which is something pretty reasonable to complain about. Hell I think the whole name change thing is silly too. I doubt most people are saying beef instead of cattle meat to disassociate meat from coming from an animal.

Tho, I'm sure the industry does consciously do shit like that.

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DeletedButArchived wrote

I agree with your evidence but I disagree with it proving your thesis.

Your evidence: cattle are treated horribly by the industry

This is true

Your thesis: Cows care if people steal cheese or not

I believe this to be false and not proven correct by the evidence you gave.

Does have no understanding of theft, cheese, grocery stores, human consumer choices, and economic disecentivization. I'm sure they could have some conception of the concepts if they were allowed to view said concepts. I don't think a majority or even any cows really have a conception of these concepts. It's therefore impossible for them to have an opinion on things they have no idea exists. The same way I don't have opinions on things I don't know exists. It's physically impossible.

It's a pretty argument but your the one who brought up the idea that cows have an opinion on stealing cheese in the first place. Like I doubt there are really any cows who have seen cheese needless connected cheese being made of milk. Or grocery shopping for that matter.

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DeletedButArchived wrote (edited )

I dont think it's praxis. I think it's ridiculous that anarchists are spending their time boosting wallmarts profit margin by moralizing poor people.

I'm obviously somewhat sympathetic to consumer choices argument but I think there is pretty good reasons to view it as far less effective than most think. Also, far less certain to have the outcome vegans think it will. Once you get to the stealing level, the whole consumer choices logic eats it self. So I think stealing cheese is morally righteous cause or whatever, it's silly to see people mad that cheese has been stolen.

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DeletedButArchived wrote

I never said they were the same. I'm saying they provide the same disincentive to manufacturers. If anything stealing the end product has a greater effect on the large firms that control the industry than attacking the comparatively much smaller producers. If you care about that kind of thing.

I don't know why you have to make up arguments I made to villanize me rather than actual address what I say.

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DeletedButArchived wrote

I've been rewinding a slight amount. Biology and more specifically ecology is incredibly useful. You learn biology just by watching the plants. Science has been around since a human wanted to understand the world around them better. Unless a post industrial society would require people not understand the world better than it would still be around.

I would be as bold to say that any world which prevents me from trying to understand the world better or do basic organic chemistry is a world worth fighting against.

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DeletedButArchived OP wrote

Stray cats are hunting several endangered species in my area. While I'm trying to provide a refuge for some of these endangered species I can protect against humans an industrialization to some degree but I can't stop stray cats from hunting them till they are extinct.

Having a small spaces where an endangered species can breed and get basic necessities can have a massive impact in staving off extinction.

What would the correct response to Be? Just take these wild cats and keep them inside 100% of the time? Shoot them ? Giving away isn't a real option as there are way too many cats to get rid of or take in for that matter.

Spaying and neutering 10s to 100s of cats and sening them to a cat refuge of sorts is going to be financially challenging for most people.

While I'm currently in a situation where it is quite unlikely that I'm going to really do much as I'm doing lots of other stuff it does make me wonder, if I'm in a similar situation again what would my response be. I really don't know.

I can't see a propper rewinding effort in my local area not solve the stray cat problem. They fuck up the balance so much that many organisms are unable to exist in cat ridden spaces.

I guess the rewinding answer is intrude a native species which kills cats like cougar or wolves. But is having a wolf maul a cat to death better than shooting It? Sure the cat mauling is better from a rewinding perspective.

The only real humane things from a vegan perspective is let the cats fuck up the rewinding effort and slaughter endangered species in some of the few safe areas for them to live. Contribute to another extinction which just keeps up the snowball effect of mass extinction.

Or take these semi wild animals and force them to be housepets and derive them of autonomy. Or make a kitty ethnostate to ship them off to so they are out of the way.

I'd hate to be in a situation which I likely will be in in the future which seems to only have a bunch of fucked up answers to choose from where I have to pick a response.

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