BrowseDuringClass1917

BrowseDuringClass1917 wrote

Reply to comment by jbrn3236 in 'Green' colonialism is ruining Indigenous lives in Norway by ziq

You can’t first abolish being a ‘worker’ without acknowledging that workers exist and that work is a thing to be abolished. Only workers can abolish work and as such it is up to workers to recognize themselves as workers and destroy the system which forces them into that position.

Not to mention the fact that when class dynamics are not explicitly acknowledged, a movement will inevitably fall victim to petit-bourgeois ideology.

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BrowseDuringClass1917 wrote

Reply to comment by ziq in Wanting to eliminate all hierarchy is absurd. by OdiousOutlaw

I think that’s a very simplistic understanding of why the anarchists were kicked out of the first internationale. The internationale was a democratic entity and it decided on adopting the marxist perspective on building a successful social revolution. The anarchists, obviously, disagreed and subsequently left or were expelled.

Anarchism and Marxism are not ideologies which can coexist in the same organization. The debate and basic disagreements would paralyze it and force it into ineffectual academic arguments. This split was inevitable.

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Reply to 'Green' colonialism is ruining Indigenous lives in Norway by ziq

Lot of liberals have a tendency of saying ‘oh nobody lives here’ when deciding to put up windmills. In many cases they fail to realize that people actually do live there and their land is not something you can just use whenever you see fit.

Only with a genuine solidarity between the working people of southern Norway and the indigenous working people far in the North, is it possible to correctly and respectfully zone lands for green energy production. It is absolutely possible, and probably easy, to come to a consensus with the indigenous peoples on where to put green energy, but that would delay profits so I guess it’s a waste of time.

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Reply to comment by GlangSnorrisson in How Queer Folks Are Fleeing US Cities To Create Their Own Refuge by An_Old_Big_Tree

Yeah, I think some of what they are doing is definitely good, especially taking in at risk queer youth. But, it seems that the initiative at it’s base comes from a place of being bourgeois.

First working class queer people carve out a safe space for themselves in cities. Then queers from the suburbs see that and flood the community and kick out the working class residents. After a while, the gentrifiers start to realize that the neighborhood has lost its identity and is no longer a space for those who express their queerness in nontraditional manners. Then finally, they leave to go back to the suburbs/rural areas and try to make another community.

This is what happens when a movement is centered on the identity of queerness rather than the material oppressions faced by real working class queer people. Chief among these oppressions is class and it always will be class, without attacking both class and heteronormativity you are doomed to failure and cooption by the wealthy. The same thing happens with racism, sexism, nationalism, and even class struggle. Without an intersectional understanding centered on class it is impossible to create real lasting change for the people who actually need real lasting change, i.e. for working people.

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