BigThief

BigThief wrote

Is this in your own city? Did you park far enough away so cameras did not catch you license plate?

Given they have no data on you I would say you are good. Obviously don't go back to that store and I would stay off their property unless you are buying something.

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BigThief wrote

I don't think you need to stop. You just gotta take in the big picture... Are you lifting makeup to sell? Makeup is an always watched item - you have to spread out fairly far if you are going to lift makeup as a career. You need to be hitting others cities and states. I don't lift makeup just because of how much camera coverage is there. I will take a walkout with power tools before I try makeup... I am biased on this because I tend to stick with what I know best... both how to acquire the product and move it.

If you can get yourself into a situation where your lift is already sold before you start then I would be game for makeup.

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BigThief wrote

What kind of boat? Sailboat, Jet boat, pontoon, or trawlers are all fairly easy if you are comfortable scaling fences, have a truck with tow hitch and a boat trailer. If you are looking for something with a full below deck cabin and are asking the internet I doubt you would be able to pull it off.

Are you stateside? If you are in the Netherlands you might be able to pull off lifting a cabin boat.

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BigThief wrote

I would buy an iPad with a credit card from Walmart or Target. Use the unit for a week or two, return it, and buy another one, repeat this until your training is done or you have found a solution on how to acquire an iPad.

I highly doubt anyone can give you step by step on how to acquire an iPad. The easiest way would be to order one online and claim DNA.

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BigThief wrote

Reply to comment by GoodOldWorkingClass in Caught at Elk! by DeeGirl

Don't forget some states concealment alone is grounds for arrest. And one employee just has to claim they saw you conceal, you get stopped and don't run, and they find the item on you... It is a bad stop but results in a recovery and arrest... most LP don't follow the 5 steps when they have excellent video systems.

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BigThief wrote

Based on your account I would have no problem taking here and there.

It is always hard to know the real truth. I know a guy, total asshole, runs a multi-million dollar business, pays his staff shit, is a pain in the ass micromanager type, and he bought a new Porsche Panamera and some kind Alpha Romeo for his wife. He complains about the price of gas. I would stab this fucker if I knew I could get away with it.

I also know another business guy running a hydroponic shop in a non-legal state. He lives near his business and pays way too much for rent, drives a 2010 Honda Accord, takes home about 54k, but he kept his entire staff on payroll from before COVID until now. He uses the hydro shop to grow food for his staff and also gives away tons per year to a local food bank.

This cat dresses in nice clothes because he finds name brands at Goodwill in a high class neighborhood. His main shoe cost a couple hundred dollars but he only owns three pairs of shoes and the one shoe he wears all the time was a combined wedding gift. All of this to say if you saw the guy you would assume he has money or comes from money but he is a normal joe living a very average life and killing it by giving back to the community. If you walked in the hydro shop you would assume the owner is making bank, the shop is huge (10k sq/ft plus), he carries a lot of expensive name brand grow equipment that he borrowed money to buy, and the store is almost always busy but most people there are taking classes or helping with growing food.

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BigThief wrote

You are making too many generalizations.

I know plenty of business owners who run large franchises but they borrowed to the hilt. They work an obscene amount of hours and take home less than 50k. 50k is no small amount of cash but is pennies when you have the title of owner or founder.

The folks I know are buying and driving used cars on a payment plan and paying rent. There are a lot of people hustling and grinding but times are uncertain, people pay a ton for services (delivery for restaurant), interest rates are high, COVID almost killed their business but they keep dozens of people on payroll. I feel it would be a disservice to hit a place like this. Everyone has a unique lens in how they view the world and you have to do what keeps you safe and able to sleep at night.

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BigThief wrote

There is no good place to lift makeup. Makeup is always one of the top three items stolen.

I would lift beads from Hobby Lobby and Michael's. It sounds like you need to stretch out where you lift from. No one should be hitting the same stores over and over especially repeating the items., Sooner or later someone is going to do inventory and then they will start watching those areas.

Getting caught is no indication of skill. The best indication of skill is knowing when you can hit something hard and equally knowing when to walk the fuck away. However, in this game skill and luck are about equal.

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BigThief wrote

Never did really answer your question.

On a whole I am seeing more violent news reports. Is the world more violent or is the media just focusing more on violent content?

Where I live violent and bodily harm crimes are down but property crimes are up. The fact that property crimes increase is a tell tale sign that bodily crime has a huge potential of following that same statistic. It may just be luck has not merged the two yet but over time those stats tend to trend with each other.

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BigThief wrote

The answer is always to a point....

This is only in response to: But even if I was treated and paid well, would it be ethical to steal from your workplace? Would you do it?

I never shit where I eat; but if I were inclined to do so I would have a lot of questions to answer.

  1. How do I know I am well compensated or are you just satisfied with what you are being paid?
  2. What is the profit margin of the business?
  3. How will the loss to the business affect my employment or the employment of others?
  4. Does lifting from work affect the local community?
  5. How much wealth does the owner of the business have?

As you can already see the answer is almost always going to be it depends.

In relation to your first paragraph... I would focus my energy on getting a new and better job. Why sit around not being appreciated, underpaid, not happy where you are, and may end up arrested?

What job skills do you have? How marketable are those skills? Do you need to enroll in some form of education to increase both your marketability and income potential?

More questions to your questions...

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BigThief wrote

All depends. I have no knowledge inside Amazon's fraud detection. I would assume if you used the same hardware to login into multiple accounts consider them all burned unless you changed your MAC address. If you don't know then consider the accounts burned.

You will have needed to take very knowledgeable and dedicated attempts to separate the accounts. If you were/are not familiar with all the steps needed, again, consider the accounts burned.

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BigThief wrote

Take a small wagon with you. Carry a 2 ton quick jack, hammer driver and 4 cinder blocks. Undo all the lug nuts before you start. Jack up each side, remove the wheel, lower the rotors onto a cinder block, repeat 3 more times. Wagon becomes very helpful when you have to drag 4 tires and rims back to your vehicle.

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BigThief wrote

The economies are shit for almost all brick and mortar. People are getting more desperate and moving from shoplifting to burglary and assault. All of this forces the stores to respond the only way they can which is increase security.

Stores are spending more on security because their insurance costs are eating them alive. ORC is also a pretty big piece, that is another discussion, but it is just another pain point for the stores so they double down on security. That is going to be more cameras, better cameras, remote monitoring, facial recognition... Some stores have gotten more sneaky and will collect wifi MAC addresses and Blue Tooth DUN numbers. ... yeah if you didn't already know this turn your phone off or leave it in the vehicle if you are lifting.

The other side of the coin is none of us are doing anything new. Some of us are really good actors and some are geniuses are social engineering but at the end of the day we are all either concealing or just walking out. There are only so many ways you can spin either of those tactics.

What you are noticing is everything that comes with age. You naturally see things a little deeper a little wider. You get a little bit more comfortable. All the while a little bit of healthy fear concerns you because what we do is life altering every time we lift.

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BigThief wrote

Reply to by !deleted31868

This is a one trick pony kind of trick.

You will get away with it for a little while especially at stores without experienced LP. I can guarantee you would not be able to pull this off at Macy's or Belks.

If you really wanted to go all in with this trick:

  • Steal a Pizza sign that drivers put on their car.
  • Steal a pizza hot box with the same logo as the sign.
  • Have someone else stage items very close to the entry.
  • Walk in with said box, stuff items, and immediately walk out.

This is still a one trick pony but you can easily triple your box height, fit merchandise that is slight bigger than the hot box since it is fabric, and no door person is going to stop you.

This is something you would have to have your timing dead on. You need to be out of your car and back in the car within 180 seconds.

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BigThief wrote

Reply to by LoveToLoot

How long have you been hitting this store? What is your total average cost per haul?

I am going to assume this was not Kroger, Publix, or Ingles if so this LP would likely get fired for leaving the store.

If this was Meijer, Walmart, or Wegmans and you have lifted more than a grand from the store I would be a little worried.

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