BigThief

BigThief wrote

The economies are shit for almost all brick and mortar. People are getting more desperate and moving from shoplifting to burglary and assault. All of this forces the stores to respond the only way they can which is increase security.

Stores are spending more on security because their insurance costs are eating them alive. ORC is also a pretty big piece, that is another discussion, but it is just another pain point for the stores so they double down on security. That is going to be more cameras, better cameras, remote monitoring, facial recognition... Some stores have gotten more sneaky and will collect wifi MAC addresses and Blue Tooth DUN numbers. ... yeah if you didn't already know this turn your phone off or leave it in the vehicle if you are lifting.

The other side of the coin is none of us are doing anything new. Some of us are really good actors and some are geniuses are social engineering but at the end of the day we are all either concealing or just walking out. There are only so many ways you can spin either of those tactics.

What you are noticing is everything that comes with age. You naturally see things a little deeper a little wider. You get a little bit more comfortable. All the while a little bit of healthy fear concerns you because what we do is life altering every time we lift.

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BigThief wrote

Reply to by !deleted31868

This is a one trick pony kind of trick.

You will get away with it for a little while especially at stores without experienced LP. I can guarantee you would not be able to pull this off at Macy's or Belks.

If you really wanted to go all in with this trick:

  • Steal a Pizza sign that drivers put on their car.
  • Steal a pizza hot box with the same logo as the sign.
  • Have someone else stage items very close to the entry.
  • Walk in with said box, stuff items, and immediately walk out.

This is still a one trick pony but you can easily triple your box height, fit merchandise that is slight bigger than the hot box since it is fabric, and no door person is going to stop you.

This is something you would have to have your timing dead on. You need to be out of your car and back in the car within 180 seconds.

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BigThief wrote

Reply to by LoveToLoot

How long have you been hitting this store? What is your total average cost per haul?

I am going to assume this was not Kroger, Publix, or Ingles if so this LP would likely get fired for leaving the store.

If this was Meijer, Walmart, or Wegmans and you have lifted more than a grand from the store I would be a little worried.

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BigThief OP wrote

I wrote that some time ago. I have not lifted from an Apple store in almost a year. The last I did I went to a store that is in a building under preservation. I have not seen a historic building where Apple has wired cameras. These stores will almost always have one non-uniformed LP; I have been to stores where they had three of them on duty. If you decide to lift spend some time outside the store and just observe who stays in the store an hour and never leaves.

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BigThief wrote

Undetectable has skills. I don't know him irl but his stories are not things you make up unless you have pulled off the same stunts. Then it just damn funny to know that people on different parts of the continent use the exact same technique.

And I do not know how the fuck you are giving advice when you are someone without magnets. The vast majority of lifting involves evading detection devices.

-- Your advice is not 100% worthless. You are lifting and not getting caught. However, without using magnets you stand on no fucking ground preaching about what others are doing wrong. You literally have 0% experience in big lifts.

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BigThief wrote (edited )

/u/youngblood

Also add to the rule.. the very first thing you need to do is gather around $60 dollars. Buy a magnet (called a detacher), S3 Alpha Key, and a hook. If you are unfamiliar with this terminology reply and I will explain more.

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BigThief wrote (edited )

/u/youngblood

I have several rules about lifting... if you don't have any options feel free to ignore Don't lift near where you live Don't repeatedly lift from the same location Don't take every single item of one object

I believe in lifting with a purpose. Wherever you are in life lift to make it better. Lift food and eat healthier. Lift books and improve your knowledge. Lift tools and learn a craft or trade.

The most important rule is knowing when you should not lift. Some things in life you just have to buy. Don't waste time or risk your freedom to acquire anything that you feel is beyond your skill level. It is always better to lift many times, sell stuff, and buy whatever you want vs risking getting caught.

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BigThief wrote

/u/youngblood

Addressing lack of confidence... First rule don't ever get cocky. The best lifters are always at a disadvantage against the house.

You should watch videos on doing slight of hands. After you watch a few and practice setup a phone and record yourself from different angles and heights. Evaluate how successful you are. Always keep practicing this. Learning to juggle, twirling a pen or coin between your fingers are all exercises that will help you with slight of hand.

You need to spend a few hour just walking around shopping areas that you intend to lift from. This is best done in another city. Don't worry about feeling weird or being followed. All of this will help with self confidence. I would also suggest practicing looking like you conceal but actually discarded a small item to the side of you. Let LP follow you. You need the practice and like the first post the only way to gain experience is to go through the experience. Super bonus if they stop you when you did a discard. IF this happens DM me... You just hit bank error in your favor.

Part of this confidence is looking at what shoppers do. You want to mimic this behavior. If you walk around enough you will also see people lifting. I don't believe there is much to learn from observing others lift but it does help you being cognitively aware of your situation.

Now, you spend to spend a couple hours walk around again. Here we are playing finding the camera. Walk around and be blatant about looking up. You are doing nothing wrong so who cares. In the past I used to turn my Ipad on video, lay it camera up and then walk every single isle. Make notes about where the cameras are then go home and review the video and see if you missed any cameras. You don't need to go overboard with this. You just need to be able to can quickly see a camera and just a quickly realize when you have found a blind spot.

After this you should just start lifting. Go for one or two items small in size. Again, don't go overboard with this. Each lift is always a risk of getting caught however you need the experience to help build your confidence. Don't ever confuse self esteem with self confidence. Self confidence is knowing you have done a thing and repeated success gives you that mental know how. Self esteem is when you lift and get cocky thinking you can steal anything.

Lastly, there is the rule of knowing when to bale. If you 'feel' off dump the merchandise and leave. If you notice you are being tailed dump and leave. Always error on the side of safety.

I am enjoying some Blue Lotus.. hopefully others are reading this and can add constructive comments.

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BigThief wrote (edited )

/u/youngblood

Going to start with anxiety... Also going to assume this anxiety is caused by and during lifting and not attributed to any mental or physical health conditions. If I am incorrect and you do suffer from health related anxiety ignore ALL advice in this post.

I break anxiety down to two emotions: fear and lack of confidence

Fear: you should only have fear about being caught. And, at times this is healthy and you should always have some level of fear. The goal is to bring your level of fear down to a level that it does not change your outward behavior nor does it interfere with your cognitive abilities.

Fear of being caught has three outcomes: fight, flight and freeze. You need to know how you react when put under immediate stress. If you freeze you will need to find exercises that put you in that state and work through them. If you ever watched the show Fear Factor it is the same principal. Keep practicing until it is muscle memory that you always react.

I advocate not fighting. That is just extra charges and you can never predict how other employees or shoppers will react. I recommend you lift with the template of being mobile. When you exit be prepared to drop or even throw a basket or bag to give you time to run. The same can be done with a shopping cart. Swing it between you and whomever or push it at them and run like hell.

Obviously my reaction of choice is flight. Several things here: wear shoes you can easily and comfortably run in, stay in shape, practice running sprints, run long distance and run with weights pulled close to your midsection. You will be amazed how quickly you will improve your speed. I also recommend using obstacle courses, body weight exercises, and stretches/yoga. You may need to can quickly react and snap yourself away from someone, immediately run in an opposite direction, and depending on the situation you may need to run a 1/2 mile or more.

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BigThief wrote

I will come back with more advice...

What items are you trying to lift? You should always work from a list. Know ahead of time what you are going to lift.

What stores are around you? Feel free to DM if you don't want to post publically.

Anxiety and other situations you listed I will reply to when I get back.

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BigThief wrote

I travel with my job so I am constantly looking at stores.

Contrary to @GoodOldWorkingClass I do not derive my income from lifting. I work a 40 hour job but in reality it is a 20 hour week with some travel time and having been in the same field for 20 years I am fairly efficient at what I need to accomplish.

I do spend a good bit of time doing research. I always try to lift the least amount necessary. After several hours I know all the places I can hit safely and I then drive one route lifting several times in the day and then I am usually done for a week or more.

If you lift in major cities out in the suburbs you will find plenty of places where a walk out is possible. If you are only lifting in one or two cities or all in the same state then hell yeah it is difficult to find massive amounts of walkouts. But when you are driving across three to four states it is not that hard to find six stores you can walkout.

The second major part to my lifting is I am constantly changing items I lift. I will lock in on one item and then lift the hell out of it during that one day and then I am done with that item. One week I was lifting everything Cricut, the next art supplies, then Google Hubs, then high plants and trees, then fertilizer, then sharkbites.... I also don't lift every week. In a good year I will lift 30-34 times. I will have targeted about 18 different types of stores and only 6 of those stores in a day. I never go back to the same store within a two year period.

The difference between me and GoodOldWorkingClass is that I have been lifting for over 25 years. I invest in good equipment. I have a vast network of people that lift, buy, sell, trade, and friends within law enforcement. But the main difference is I know what the fuck I am talking about. He will babble about self checkout and how easy it is... yada... I can tell you about the Publix at Cottonwood Corners in Dothan Alabama. You would think it makes sense to go when they are most busy but it actually best to go whenever church is in session. Their sole LP does parttime work as a musician and will be in church every week even when they do virtual services. You could walkout with stuff in your basket not bagged or stuck in a tote. Sadly you can't use self checkout because this store does not have one. But GoodOldWorkingClass is going to continue to preach about using self checkout and how they do it all the time. anyway... I am just rambling now... You don't need a good lifter to tell you SCO is the worse idea.. just study any war strategy and you will realize that SCO is a trap, you are fighting on the battleground they have well prepared, well manned and have the best cameras.

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BigThief wrote

If you are bring over dabs I would buy some caramel or chocolate that has a lower melting point than the dab. Melt X candy and pour it over the dab. Let it solidify, flip it over and pour again. Do this for the entire bag of candy or remove any candy that does not contain the dab. Just in case you are xrayed you want everything to look the same.

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BigThief wrote

How heavy is your child? If small enough I would use a baby carry wrap. Plenty of spots to easily conceal and mobile enough to do a walkout with a basket or buggy.

You want and need to stay as mobile as possible.

Take the advice that several other people have offered. It is not a good idea to lift with a child. If you are the SE or a heavy red state I would give serious thoughts into setting up a plan to lift without your child. If you are caught and apprehended health and human services will be called. You will be separated from your child that day/night. If the police are unable to get a relative to arrive at the store quickly your child will enter the foster care system and that is an entire world of fuckage you do not want to deal with. Lifting is considered a crime of moral turpitude. Everyone involved in your case history will assume you make poor choices in your child's care and you will need to work triple time to convince them otherwise.

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BigThief wrote

Location, location, location.

Your questions is way too wide for true good advice. In my area Dollar Generals are hardcore about stopping lifters. I don't know if they get rewards or what the motivation is.

The only advice I can give you is visit the store and observe how others are observing you. Use Google Maps and find the busiest times and visit the stores during that time frame. 'walk and shop normally' but pay full attention to the employees. The more an employee watches any shopper and constantly watches the exit that is a sign that store is going to be more challenging. The stores where the cashier is always looking down at their phones that is a sign of a store that should be easier.

If you are in a more rural area I think Walmarts are easier just because it is easier for you to disappear in a crowd. In a bigger city with a Walmart that has higher annual sales you are going to find a store that is willing to spend more on security infrastructure and hiring LP. Again, this is very generic advice. You need to always scope out the store before you lift.

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