6u5cbz14R8_4z36Aq7Y22 OP wrote

I wish I could say more, but I haven't been able to fledge out my thoughts on it properly or find writings that conflate with my beliefs.

I appreciate your candour.

How would say an older person might fare in the same situation?

Solid advice thanks. Thanks too for the Perlman recommendation, I'll be sure to look that up :)


6u5cbz14R8_4z36Aq7Y22 OP wrote (edited )

I have a belief that an individual's moralities are largely universal.

I would agree with this but it's where this diverges I'm most interested. A good example is consumption of domesticated animals in Asia. I wonder how an Anarchist moral relativistic system might deal with a localised variant of this in practice. There needs to be some modicum of consensus no?

I had a bike get stolen almost 2 years ago. I didn't report it to the police because the only thing that they would do about it is harass homeless camps.

I appreciate you sharing your story. How would you say an older person might fair in the same situation? Perhaps they would be more fearful to ask around for information?

Have you read a lot of leftist literature? What have you read?

As I mentioned in my initial post my background isn't in political science and I've not made much time for reading in this area outside of my professional life, so it's limited. That said, a few that come to mind (although I'm not sure you would classify all as leftist literature):

  • An Introduction to the Principles of Morals and Legislation - Jeremy Bentham
  • Manufacturing Consent - Noam Chomsky
  • Communist Manifesto (Forever ago, like every other university student auditing open classes)
  • An Agorist Primer - SEK 3. (in process)
  • The Society of the Spectacle - Guy Debord

What do you want to read?

  • Gil Elliot
    • The Twentieth Century Book of the Dead
  • Andrew Dallmeyer
    • Confessions of an English Opium-Eater
  • David Graeber
    • Debt: The First 5000 Years
  • Alex Haley
    • The Autobiography of Malcolm X
  • Thomas Paine
    • The Rights of Man
  • Søren Kierkegaard
    • Either/Or
  • Simone de Beauvoir
    • The Second Sex
  • Emma Goldman
    • Living My Life
  • Eric S. Raymond
    • The Cathedral and the Bazaar
  • john Zerzan
    • Against Civilization: Readings and Reflections
    • Future Primitive Revisited
    • Why Hope?: The Stand Against Civilization
  • Ursula K. Le Guin
    • The Dispossessed: An Ambiguous Utopia
  • Jared Diamond
    • Guns, germs, and Steel: the fates of human societies

Any other recommendations are welcome :)


6u5cbz14R8_4z36Aq7Y22 OP wrote

What's happening with Afghanistan's poppy crop is what I'm talking about.

Will do some reading, thanks.

Stanford did a study with little kids and marshmallows that had a lot to do with value and behavior IMO.

Ah yes, I think I know this one. This was the delayed gratification study in the 70's right?


6u5cbz14R8_4z36Aq7Y22 OP wrote (edited )

David Graeber's "Debt the first 5000 years"

On my list, thanks :)

Appreciate the the Max Stirner recommendation too, added to my list.

Edit: Scanning Max Stirner now, unsure about this amorality and egoism as a response to an imagined state. I will read more in the next days but this seems immediately quite problematic to me. Do you advocate for this position?


6u5cbz14R8_4z36Aq7Y22 OP wrote (edited )

This was a really entertaining/informative read, thanks for your reply. Apologies for any ignorance on my part, but I have a few questions.

The CIA is doing much better with opiods and adarol these days; ya dig?

I'm likely missing the joke but I assume you're referring to this?

Literature... um... Maybe The Stanford Study stuff will suffice. Do you like marshmallows?

Again, likely missing the joke. Is there a study? p.s I'm not into marshmallows, gelatine :/


6u5cbz14R8_4z36Aq7Y22 OP wrote

Hey, thanks so much for taking the time to reply.

This implies there is a collective morality, but what is right for one person might be wrong to another.

This is where things get murky for me. The nation state seems by and large built on the idea of moral objectivism (the extent to which this is informed by the collective I am unsure). As you rightly mention there is though the natural relativist counterpart to contend with. How does an Anarchist society reconcile the two?

I think the general idea is that nihilism is supposed to set you free instead of alienating.

Assuming living within state confines is a regrettably reality, what practical ways does Anarchism propose to achieve this freedom? I'm particularly interested in how to reconcile living externally from the state while presumably having to engage with it on occasion, albeit as little as possible. Apologies for the trite example but let's say your car is stolen or you're in need of medical attention etc. Is it the case of perfect not being the enemy of good?

That's a big question that I'm not prepared to answer.

Thanks for this, you rarely hear this these days :)

I'm very interested in this and in particular concrete examples. e.g institution x does y and thus persons born into such a reality are likely to believe/formulate a world view that is z.


6u5cbz14R8_4z36Aq7Y22 wrote (edited )

Not strictly related to the visualisation aspect but I would recommend you store such data - in this case and in general - in CryptPad (note: there is currently a 1GB limit).

"CryptPad is a private-by-design alternative to popular office tools and cloud services (i.e Google Docs). All the content stored on CryptPad is encrypted before being sent, which means nobody can access your data unless you give them the keys (not even us)."

It's too late now but moving forward that last sentence is likely why you'd want to store data of this nature elsewhere. For this reason and innumerable others, please avoid Google. Hope that helps.