256 OP wrote

That's why I'm against centralised cobalamin production or cobalt extraction. Apparently they don't use metallic cobalt anyway.

Cobalt is a part of soils in some places, mostly already depleted though. I'd argue that filtration (mimicking bivalves) of ocean water in limited amounts and spread apart could solve several problems related to material extraction.


256 OP wrote (edited )

Approximate molecular weights of

Cobalamin : 1355 mg/mol

Cobalt : 59 mg/mol

(1mg/1355mg) * 59 mg ≈ 43µg

Amount of cobalt in an annual dosis of 500µg B12 daily or 1000µg B12 every second day:

43µg * (365/2) = 7,847.5µg

For 8 billion people:

7,847.5µg * 8,000,000,000 = 62.78 metric tons


256 OP wrote

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Do cats piss poems?

Appreciate the contextualisation. Reflectively, a lot of texts seem indeed as territory-marking.

Piss off, they'll say and I'll remember reading territory.


256 wrote

Do you need to eat bivalves?

I feel like this is not about veganism and more about agriculture. Don't you think vegans want to source their materials without suffering too? This is the inverted 'Vegans are radical'-discourse.


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There is no need be hostile.

The Militant Vegan discourse.

there is suffering all over.

Same energy as 'Striking is bad, because suffering exists', following that would render any resistance to human climate impacts baseless - an ideology of trauma reproduction.

plant suffering (science)

The questioned existence of plant suffering does not matter for the question of ethical consideration for non-human animals. Killing a cow, because legumes might feel suffering too, does not compute.

perpetrator's suffering

I see a pattern here: Others' suffering does not make producing intentional, unnecessary and avoidable suffering ethical. It is still immoral to kill a boar for fun when you live in an autonomous anarchist space.


256 wrote

Note that the 'Ascetic Veganism' discourse is a common talking point of anti-veganism. It stands next to 'jokes' such as 'Eat Grass!'. Some vegans internalise this discourse and conflate veganism with religious diet regimes.


256 wrote

A person I knew did this on purpose (as in "Don't talk to Cops", also language barrier). They were somewhat dependent on the people around them to make demands specific to the situation (toilet access, warmth/shadow, water, food, information etc.).

No one is safe from cops and their behaviour, but sometimes they trade partial cooperation with partial accomodation, but firstly, ALL COPS ARE BASTARDS, and no one can ensure you that they do, secondly, cops are treacherous, cooperation once given can turn on you.

It's largely context specific.


256 wrote

I wonder if therapists who do CBT-AR could be convinced to include the knowledge about vegan nutrition, that has been produced so far. I hope you can get better if that's what you want.


Plant-based diets are unfortunately often seen as an additional product, I suspect this is class-based. There are definitly ways to have plant-based diets without soy, but it seems difficult when comparably expensive vegan soy products are flooding supermarkets and vegan discourses.

More than one disability

Yes. People with more than disability often have to rely on people around them (carnist 'society'), but the problems of carnism will increase the prevalence of those disabilities, I assume. Therefore, similar to measures against the excessive spread of pandemics, I'd argue that those who are absolutely able to be vegan, should be(come) vegan, decrasing carnism.