Bulldozers and excavators are my hate objects. Probably worse than any tank can ever be.

That's why I'm against centralised cobalamin production or cobalt extraction. Apparently they don't use metallic cobalt anyway.

Cobalt is a part of soils in some places, mostly already depleted though. I'd argue that filtration (mimicking bivalves) of ocean water in limited amounts and spread apart could solve several problems related to material extraction.

Why is it frustrating?

I'd argue that just because me, you and your friends don't know how to synthesise or aquire B12, it doesn't mean that it is justified to kill or exploit animals directly for that purpose.

Approximate molecular weights of

Cobalamin : 1355 mg/mol

Cobalt : 59 mg/mol

(1mg/1355mg) * 59 mg ≈ 43µg

Amount of cobalt in an annual dosis of 500µg B12 daily or 1000µg B12 every second day:

43µg * (365/2) = 7,847.5µg

For 8 billion people:

7,847.5µg * 8,000,000,000 = 62.78 metric tons

Do cats piss poems?

Appreciate the contextualisation. Reflectively, a lot of texts seem indeed as territory-marking.

Piss off, they'll say and I'll remember reading territory.

vegan funny

Don't use ableist language.

Do you need to eat bivalves?

I feel like this is not about veganism and more about agriculture. Don't you think vegans want to source their materials without suffering too? This is the inverted 'Vegans are radical'-discourse.

There is no need be hostile.

The Militant Vegan discourse.

there is suffering all over.

Same energy as 'Striking is bad, because suffering exists', following that would render any resistance to human climate impacts baseless - an ideology of trauma reproduction.

plant suffering (science)

The questioned existence of plant suffering does not matter for the question of ethical consideration for non-human animals. Killing a cow, because legumes might feel suffering too, does not compute.

perpetrator's suffering

I see a pattern here: Others' suffering does not make producing intentional, unnecessary and avoidable suffering ethical. It is still immoral to kill a boar for fun when you live in an autonomous anarchist space.

Note that the 'Ascetic Veganism' discourse is a common talking point of anti-veganism. It stands next to 'jokes' such as 'Eat Grass!'. Some vegans internalise this discourse and conflate veganism with religious diet regimes.

Why is the insufficiency of agriculture a reason against veganism and for more suffering?

I hate being hit on the nose.

What do you mean?

A person I knew did this on purpose (as in "Don't talk to Cops", also language barrier). They were somewhat dependent on the people around them to make demands specific to the situation (toilet access, warmth/shadow, water, food, information etc.).

No one is safe from cops and their behaviour, but sometimes they trade partial cooperation with partial accomodation, but firstly, ALL COPS ARE BASTARDS, and no one can ensure you that they do, secondly, cops are treacherous, cooperation once given can turn on you.

It's largely context specific.

Party politics? Here?

I was actually thinking of the guards being advised to tell their fellow inmates that it's a voluntary prison and that they are building the new society in the cell of the old one.

Anti-liberal querfront and activist salvation propaganda hidden behind buzzwords? no.

Yes, Texas isn't even.

Last I heard, Gelderloos was somewhat of an anti-vegan.

Abdullah Öcalan altarpieces in every cell to commemorate our ... eh ...commitment to the cause. We also need a catchy quote of Chomsky or Bookchin in the yard.

...and the US GAO, too!

I wonder if therapists who do CBT-AR could be convinced to include the knowledge about vegan nutrition, that has been produced so far. I hope you can get better if that's what you want.

Soy

Plant-based diets are unfortunately often seen as an additional product, I suspect this is class-based. There are definitly ways to have plant-based diets without soy, but it seems difficult when comparably expensive vegan soy products are flooding supermarkets and vegan discourses.

More than one disability

Yes. People with more than disability often have to rely on people around them (carnist 'society'), but the problems of carnism will increase the prevalence of those disabilities, I assume. Therefore, similar to measures against the excessive spread of pandemics, I'd argue that those who are absolutely able to be vegan, should be(come) vegan, decrasing carnism.