Dr. Foyan: Why sitting meditation practice NEVER produces enlightenment and only makes you sicker.

Submitted by ewk in zen

First let's begin with some facts:

  1. There are no Zen Cases where somebody gets enlightened from sitting meditation.

  2. There are no enlightened modern "teachers" who practice meditation and are "enlightened" by the Zen standard... modern meditation "teachers" are so lacking in backbone that invariably end up breaking the basic precepts, lying about historical facts (often related to meditation) being the most common.

Why is this?

Why is meditation so broken? Why is the most famous meditation church entirely dependant on sex predators: www.reddit.com//r/zen/wiki/sexpredators?

Let's ask Dr. Foyan!

Dr. Foyan, why are people who practice meditation not getting enlightened?

You are meditating too long

Seeing people helpless, the ancients told people to try meditating quietly for a moment. These are good words, but later people did not understand the meaning of the ancients, people went off and sat like lumps with knitted brows and closed eyes, suppressing body and mind, waiting for enlightenment. How stupid!

You are doing meditation wrong

When asked "this person" is, you are helpless; or else you talk at random. This is because of not having attained truly accurate realization. This is a disease that has entered your bones and marrow.

People in error attach recognition to a lifetime of [thought] cessation. Indeed, they "stop" [thinking] not only for one lifetime, but for a thousand lifetimes, myriad lifetimes.

As for the spiritually sharp, they should know how to experientially investigate who "this person" is directly, seeking an insight***.

Your teacher and method never "worked" for anybody

You should simply step back and study through total [real life] experience. How do you step back? I am not telling you to sit on a bench with your eyes closed, rigidly suppressing body and mind, like earth or wood. That will never have any usefulness, even in a million years.

You don't practice as a part of real life experience

This does not mean that "no seeing" is a matter of sitting on a bench with your eyes closed. You must have nonseeing right in seeing. This is why it is said, "Live in the realm of seeing and hearing, yet unreached by seeing and hearing; live in the land of thought, yet untouched by thought".

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Welcome! ewk comment: Think about it: if somebody isn't enlightened, can't follow precepts or give public interviews, why would anybody want to "practice" to become like that?

People who practice sitting meditation don't live in the real world... they live in a fantasy land.

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Fool wrote

Do you still have the mentality that gets upset because of worshiping images without knowing where the real Buddha is?

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ewk OP wrote

I don't know what you are talking about...

My guess is you have some unresolved religious guilt...

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Fool wrote

All verbal teachings are just remedies to cure illness. Because illnesses are not the same, therefore the remedies are not the same. That is why it is sometimes said that there is Buddha, and sometimes it is said there is no Buddha. True words are those that cure illness; after the illness is cured, all of them are untrue statements. True words are false words insofar as they produce opinions; false words are true words insofar as they stop people's delusions. Because illness is unreal, there are only unreal remedies to cure them.

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ziq wrote

You're so very wise, zen master Fool.

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TheFacelessFace wrote

You quoted BaiZhang.

Would be nice if you understood him too.

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Fool wrote

I listen, but he never seems to say anything to me.

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ewk OP wrote

It's interesting that even with the astonishingly massive sex scandals from "meditation worshipping" religions like Zazen, scandals that make the Catholic church look like a "well run organization", people are still so desperate to see meditation as an unqualified good.

Of course that's entirely ignoring Zen Masters' warnings over the last 1500 years as well...

Not to mention the ways Japanese Buddhists have abused meditation as a tool of war.

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ewk OP wrote

That two people would come into downvote this?

It's like they're not ashamed of bigotry.

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trytoless wrote

Why would they be ashamed of being ashamed or continually being anything?

You seem very consistent, which seems rigid, I wonder why? Are you broke?

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