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enforcedcompliance wrote (edited )

I dislike Contra because she's truscum -- she often reminds me of a cis woman more than a trans woman and it's part of the reason she gets as much attention of she does.

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masque wrote (edited )

The linked video explicitly addresses the claims of her being truscum (with reference to specific videos and tweets), and in my opinion (not that I expect you to care what some random internet stranger thinks), her defense seems reasonable and sincere, and entirely accords with my existing impression of her beliefs from previous videos.

I don't mean to launch in to a long defense of Natalie here, but considering that the very topic of the video in question is the way that individual mistakes (or just disagreements) can get expanded, misrepresented, and weaponized against marginalized people within their own communities on social media, I just can't in good conscience pass over this thread and implicitly contribute to the same problem without throwing in my two cents.

If you want to hear Natlie's own defense, the relevant section is from around 39:27 to 53:11, and if you don't want to patronize support her youtube channel or watch 14 minutes of video, I can provide a transcript of the relevant section.

EDIT: I've just realized that while I used "patronize" to mean "be a supporter/patron of" it could also be interpreted to mean "be condescending towards" which completely changes the meaning of the last sentence and turns it into an accusation. Sorry about that; I don't think I've ever had a single unintended double meaning fuck up a sentence that badly before.

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masque wrote

While "I've moved on in my thinking" was certainly her defense for some specific tweets, I thought she laid out a strong argument that accusations of being "truscum" (or, more specifically, transmedicalist and/or NB-phobic) were simply not well founded, and directly contradicted by the viewpoints expressed laboriously in her previous videos. For these broader accusations, she didn't give an apology because she simply (and, I think, correctly) claims that the idea of her being transmed/NB-phobic was never accurate in the first place.

The defense of "just because some people were hurt doesn't necessarily mean I did something wrong" with respect to Buck Angel certainly feels a bit off on some visceral level, but I don't have the first-hand experience in the community to understand this aspect of things in as much depth. I only popped into this thread because I've always been surprised by the accusations of her being transmedicalist or NB-phobic (I say this as a questioning-but-probably-NB-leaning-at-this-point person myself), since it seems to reflect a very poor interpretation of her videos, and that combined with the meta-nature of the video made me feel like I should at least make an effort to engage.

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enforcedcompliance wrote

Lol, imagine telling me not to patronize a YouTube channel by patronizing me. 😂😂😂😂

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masque wrote (edited )

I'm very sorry if my comment came across as patronizing. That was not my intent.

EDIT: Sorry, that was a bad apology. Allow me to rephrase: I'm sorry that I wrote my comment in a patronizing way. I will try to avoid that in the future, although I admit that it's still not clear to me what the correct way to express this disagreement would have been.

EDIT2: Wait, I just realized that my use of the word "patronize" in my original comment had an unintended & accusatory double meaning. I'll add an edit to that comment as well.

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enforcedcompliance wrote

EDIT2: I just noticed that as well, sorry. 😋 But my mind isn't changing. She's just another youtuber looking for views and will back track on anything to keep views coming in.

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