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TwentyFiveCharsOrLess OP wrote

Reply to comment by ziq in Anprim vs ecofash by TwentyFiveCharsOrLess

Yeah, you’re gonna have to prove that one. It’s a pretty big claim to make.

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mima wrote

not sure about mao, but i'm pretty sure ted has literally made a critique of anprim

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TwentyFiveCharsOrLess OP wrote

Why does everyone seem to think that critique means disagreement? I think he’s doing that essay is suggesting anarcho primitivism can improve.

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mima wrote

I am pretty sure that if you're an anarchist, you do not reduce issues like the patriarchy and racism as "distractions" and dogmatically focus only on dismantling modern technology. He sounds like those people who only see capitalism as the problem (ignoring that hiearchies and authoritarianism, and therefore oppression and suffering will still exist in their socialist state after the revolution), or those "anti-idpolers" who downplay racism and reduces everything to class.

One thing that distinguishes anarchists is the ability to see issues like gender, race, and worker exploitation from an intersectional lens, and how it is necessary to abolish ALL of them at once. Not just capitalism. Not just racism. Anarchists don't see capitalism as the root cause of all oppression. They wouldn't see civilization as the root cause of all oppression either.

So Ted may be a primitivist. But he sure as hell isn't an anarchist.

Maybe read more of his works before claiming he's an anprim: https://theanarchistlibrary.org/library/ted-kaczynski-answer-to-some-comments-made-in-green-anarchist

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subrosa wrote

One movement from which an anti-tech organization needs to separate itself definitively is that of the radical environmentalists; another is anarchoprimitivism. [...] The anarchoprimitivists do want to eliminate modern technology, but other goals are at least equally important to them: gender equality, gay rights, animal liberation, etc.-the whole catalog ofleftist issues.

Ted K., Anti-Tech Revolution: Why and How. I'll take his word for it, not a primitivist either.

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ziq wrote

not really something that can be 'proved'

you'd need to have access to his later work, have a familiarity with maoism and understand that the anti-tech vanguard he's been calling for is closest to maoism than anything else

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TwentyFiveCharsOrLess OP wrote (edited )

Oh, right, because Maoism is very well known for being anti-industrial /s

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ziq wrote

it's specifically the strain of Marxism for a climate that lacks an industrial workforce, so yes

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ziq wrote

flashforward a month to TwentyFiveCharsOrLess announcing they're a maoist and are moving to lemmy

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ziq wrote

Then a month later they find out about Pol Pot and get exiled from there

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Fool wrote

Maoism is all about creating in groups and out groups. See both left and right idpol for examples of Maoism in action.

Ted is also heavily about in groups and out groups.

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Rat wrote

Rural industrialization, while officially a priority of the campaign, saw "its development ... aborted by the mistakes of the Great Leap Forward".^[6]

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Lettuce wrote

I actually disagree that Ted k is a maoist. I also think it's a bad reading to think Ted k is anti authority in any real way. F.p. on Twitter actually writes to Ted k often and posts some of his letters on Twitter. And like they will ask Ted k about racism and Ted will be against racism but bc racism will result in different races fighting each other and war needs industry.

Ted find oppression and authority to be kinda unimportant background issues. Ted wants to abolish industry and promotes it by any way possible bc otherwise would be destruction of humans. Ted k isn't an eco fash bc he thinks ecofash uses racism will requires industry.

He is more of a single issue anti industry authoritarian. Which isn't very far from marxists in being anti anarchists. I'm sure Ted k has many anarchists compatible views but they don't come from anarchisra values. He just so happens to be the same as anarchy sometimes. but as soon as he thinks it won't be the ideal anti industry he will be pro authority.

Bc Ted k cares way more about anti industry than anarchy. I also haven't read a ton of Ted k so I could be wrong. But I really struggle to see how Ted k could be anarchist.

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