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__0 wrote

Supposedly its about believing in something “higher than yourself” not necessarily a religious thing, but I've heard that a lot of 12 step recovery groups are very christianity centric. Talked to someone about what i would do if i were an atheist that wanted to try one of these programs they basically said just make it about “an idea that you can hold yourself accountable to”, this was just casual conversation though, i’m quite secure in my relationship to subsistences

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asterism wrote

I mean it was born out of the oxford group so it has explicitly Christian origins.

Though its founder was also into spirits and did seances and thought the spirit of st boniface was helping him out. He also thought lsd would be helpful in overcoming alcoholism. (he basically became sober after having a vision so he saw lsd as an easy way to recreate vision experience in others.)

idk, just a random info dump i guess.

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__0 wrote

The lsd thing is super interesting i never would have known!

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TwentyFiveCharsOrLess OP wrote

Psychedelics are useful in treating addiction, depression, and trauma when combined with therapy.

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roanoke9 wrote

Or, without therapy. In my experience anyway. I don't like tripsitters anyway but especially would not like a therapist to do that.

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TwentyFiveCharsOrLess OP wrote

Yeah, but there is no power higher than the self. They are all spooks.

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roanoke9 wrote

What about a volcano? Or any mountain? Or myself in four hours when I am much higher than now? How to reconcile present less high self and future more high self and ideal highest self if a volcano can still erupt above any of uaaas and burn me up?

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Rat wrote

The Self is literally just a simulation of God

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TwentyFiveCharsOrLess OP wrote

Which god?

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Rat wrote

The literal.

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