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RedEmmaSpeaks wrote

I don't know if clothing is something we'd have to worry about in the event of a collapse. Industrial Civilization has produced a glut of clothing, enough that everybody on Earth could wear a new outfit everyday for the rest of their life, and still have plenty of clothing leftover. When you operate under the meme of Constant Production for the Sake of Production, you wind up with massive amounts of product, but scarce amounts of resources. Probably what we'd really need to do in the post-collapse, is learn how to mend and sew, take care of what was leftover.

I do believe that going completely nonvegan is impractical, especially for some environments. Cotton and many other vegan substitutes are much more labor-intensive and rougher on the environment than nonvegan stuff. They leech nutrition out of the soil pretty quickly and require an extensive amount of labor and pesticides. Plus, they tend to produce a poor quality product. A good pair of leather shoes will last longer; in the time it takes a pair of leather shoes to wear down, you probably will have had to purchase five pairs of PETA-approved gear. Considering the amount of labor and resources that go into manufacturing, leather footwear is probably friendlier to the environment and again, it lasts longer.

Though if a culture uses leather, it would be kind of bizarre to kill the cow and leave the rest to rot. Maybe in the post-collapse world, we should approach butchering animals by doing it Kosher-style. It is considered one of the most humane ways to butcher animals and there are many stringent standards it has to pass in order to qualify as Kosher.


heckthepolice wrote (edited )

You're probably right about it not being very important to be able to make clothing; it's just an idea that occurred to me and I figured it might merit some discussion.

And yeah, non-vegan options like leather definitely have advantages over the vegan alternatives, especially for footwear. That's something I find interesting, that sometimes following strict veganism might actually end up being more harmful to animals and the environment than a technically non-vegan option and there may be cases where you have to take a more holistic approach rather than just following a simple rule like "no animal products". I hadn't really considered footwear much when writing the post, but now that you mention, I've realized that footwear is probably the one think that we actually would have to make post-collapse since it gets worn down through use, so that was kind of a silly oversight. I think it might be viable to avoid non-vegan footwear in some places, like where sandals are viable. And we could probably repurpose various scrap materials (rubber from tires for soles, fabric and leather/animal products that are already laying around, etc.). That said, we may very well end up having to rely on nonvegan footwear in many places.

My personal inclination regarding animal slaughter to get materials would be:

  1. Don't raise animals to be slaughtered; either hunt or use what you can when the animals you take care of die (or find animals that have died in the wild, though they're likely not to be usable).

  2. Only kill animals when you have to.

  3. Kill as painlessly as possible.

  4. Make use of every part of the animal you possibly can.