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Eugenicists that could use a banning [banned one]

Submitted by Enkara in meta (edited by a moderator )

From this thread:

https://raddle.me/f/AskRaddle/9267/should-parents-have-to-pass-an-exam-before-they-can-have

"Should parents have to pass an exam before they can have children?" -foggymorn

"IQ. Administered by the same people where you test your IQ. We shouldn't ignore the facts, as Sam Harris says IQ is a reliable measure of intelligence and that's a fact of science." "Are we going to ignore the facts just because they make us uncomfortable? Sam Harris for your information has a Phd in neurobiology." -tonamejustafew

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Pop wrote

The whole thread is shite

wtf kind of question is that anyway

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ziq wrote

Someone already banned tonamejustafew.

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PainlessEphemera wrote

I don’t know. Foggymorn was pretty good so far and they said they just wanted to debate. Besides, it’s obvious that Foggymorn doesn’t think the answer to the question is yes.

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foggymorn wrote (edited )

Yea, I'm an individualist anarchist, of course I don't support that. I was trying to poke holes in collectivism.

Support banning the other one for sure.

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PainlessEphemera wrote

I’m a bit of a collectivist, but it’s good to point out stuff you see wrong with it. That way you don’t blindly parrot views without knowing what you support or why.

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surreal wrote

Maybe we can show them how wrong they are instead of an early ban. Seems like they actually believe that and are more of misguided rather than trolls.

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ziq wrote

Eugenics is a violation of the terms of service. Saying you need to have high intelligence to reproduce is pretty close to nazi-level thinking.

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surreal wrote

are these guys nazi though, if yes ban them. i think they are transhumanist of some sort, blinded by dogmatic science which is bad but amendable, cause they have nothing to gain, not like Sam Harris who is selling futuristic BS and some ppl like these guys buy it.

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foggymorn wrote

I've seen collectivists make the argument and I wanted to debate it. They say that children should be raised in communal institutions by people trained in child psychology, rather than their unqualified parents.

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PainlessEphemera wrote

That sounds like something the USSR would say, not anarcho-communists.

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surreal wrote

they also used that method in ancient Sparta but they also had fascist regimes pretty much always. Children used to go to military schools very young, what a fking way to ruin someone's brain and brainwash them to fight wars for oligarchy.

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amongstclouds wrote

Where have you heard this argument from except from maybe liberals?

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ziq_postcivver wrote (edited )

Someone in the thread is even making that argument.

It's common among transhumanists especially.

But even regular ancoms sometimes support forms of collectivized childcare.

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amongstclouds wrote (edited )

I don't see collective childcare as an entirely bad thing, but trying to dictate who can and cannot bear children is something much worse.

But I imagine childcare to be more communal and localized than any idea of bringing in 'certified' professionals.

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mofongo wrote

I would say that is impossible to raise a child in a non collective way. Even in the individualized modern life, those that do not have family to assist with the child, request help from friends and neighbors or hire someone to assist with it.

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_deleted____ wrote

I don't think children should be raised by abusers, I don't think it's so wrong to want parents to be properly vetted and prepared for childrearing.

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amongstclouds wrote

You're not wrong, but how would one go about screening parents for the potential to be an abuser?

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_deleted____ wrote

Build a psychological profile using a variety of both written and practical tests I guess (maybe by giving the prospective parents robot children for a year and record all their responses to different scenarios?)

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Enkara wrote (edited )

Lol it's easy fam, just give minors full autonomy and if they hate their birth family they can leave and find somewhere else to live.

Anarchy > The wiser than thou benevolent state, every single time.

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Enkara wrote

But even regular ancoms sometimes support forms of collectivized childcare.

That is in no way the same as or even close to eugenics.

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ziq_postcivver wrote (edited )

Was responding to this:

Where have you heard this argument from except from maybe liberals?

I've seen collectivists make the argument and I wanted to debate it. They say that children should be raised in communal institutions by people trained in child psychology, rather than their unqualified parents.