Submitted by mouse in meta

During my short time here, I made an ass of myself. I started fights, didn't back down, accidentally misgendered someone, and went on a spree of what is essentially harassing green anarchists. I understand if I am not wanted here, and I apologise for everything.

However, I have still been lurking, occasionally, and upon digging deeper into the history of the site, have had my view of what Raddle is completely shifted.

I don't want to bring up old drama that I was not involved in out of context, but I sort of have to for this next bit. I have discovered that at least 3 other accounts besides "ziq" themself all belong to one person. Supposedly the other admins have multiple accounts too. Some of the biggest forums on the site boast 1-2000 subscribers, yet the top posts only have about 50 upvotes. I can't help but believe there is a bit of deception going on here, as well as manipulating conversation through persona accounts.

Raddle was supposed to be an escape from the beuracracy of reddit, as I understood it. An even more radical, satirical, nihilistic anarchist meme page than reddit would allow, with a shoplifting forum and news discussion to boot. Good stuff.

But how many users are really here? Is this just a circlejerk for 15 admins and their alts? Raddle seems completely centralized in the hands of a 3-5 different admins. I could be wrong, but frankly I'm just confused.

Reading old threads I have never seen so much infighting, drama, and near collapses of a community as there is here. It's frankly ridiculous. Why can't everyone stick to one account? Why were excuses being made?

Idk how to finish this. Raddle just seems more like the clubhouse for ziq and their friends rather than what could be gained from other forums... Even if other forums don't deplatfrom as effectively as the mods here do. Idk

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existential1 wrote

I'm sure ziq and the other admins/mods can speak for themselves. But I would say that I've yet to see a situation where someone wanted to start a community, or become a mod, who was denied the opportunity to do so. To me, Raddle is a lot more intimate than r/whatever.

Where you seem to see a small group of mods, I see a lot of people who are missing out on the opportunity to join Raddle and become them. It's the difference of being a mass-media thing and a taste-making thing. I actually enjoy seeing the same users all over the place in different forums, it feels like a community instead of a site full of topical-meme-name users.

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mouse OP wrote

That's fine with me (a sort of DIY ethic) as long as there's no alt spamming

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foggymorn wrote

So much for security culture I guess, you want to see our papers too, liberal?

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mouse OP wrote

so much for security culture I guess

You guys doxxed my alt account... If you care so much, why don't you for your own and ziq's alts while you're at it?

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GaldraChevaliere wrote

It's not doxxing when you have nearly the exact same bio on both accounts, the same typing style, and engage in the same exact behaviors.

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mouse OP wrote

You're right, I should have done ziq's multiple-personality BS to cover my trail

/s

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GaldraChevaliere wrote

You know what the difference between you and Ziq is? Ziq got called out for their bullshit, admitted they were wrong, took a break, and apologized to most people they'd hurt when they came back. They ceded most of the hard and soft power they had over the site to others and got to work on themselves. They didn't make a fucking string of pity posts demonstrating a lack of self-awareness or willingness to change how they were treating people.

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mouse OP wrote

Okay. This makes sense.

Look, I may be back one day, maybe with this account, maybe not, and try to be better. I know you all don't really want me around as I currently am.

Until then, I would like to apologise to you particularly. I'm sorry for... Really everything. I'm sorry. Logging off now. My intention was never to troll or be a reactionary.

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foggymorn wrote (edited )

Why don't you just admit what you tried to do here? It couldn't be a clearer case of concern trolling. It's insulting that you lie to our faces. "I don't want to bring up old drama", really?

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mouse OP wrote

I wasn't trying to push any agenda through "concern trolling". I don't even know what that means (or didn't until I read the wiki). I have no alterior motives

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foggymorn wrote (edited )

Fuck off troll.

Edit

Adding this post to my concern troll writeup because it's the best example yet.

https://raddle.me/f/TrollDissection/53560/u-mouse-is-a-good-example-of-a-concern-troll-even-after

It's /u/curious that you're talking about people having multiple accounts...

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mouse OP wrote

I'm not trying to troll...

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foggymorn wrote

It would be ever so /u/curious if someone complaining about users having alts were using alts himself.

But you said you "don't want to bring up drama", so there's no way you would ever do something like that......

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celebratedrecluse wrote (edited )

this is my only account -shrug-

insofar as the gap between subscribers & upvotes, it is actually a tighter gap than most subreddits. 1000 subscribers and 50 upvotes is off by a factor of 20, whereas on most subreddits you see a differential of about 100-1000 subscribers to 1 upvote for the top posts. For example, about 100,000 subs on r/anarchism, but usually posts get about 500-1000 upvotes.

This is due to the principle of scaling in online communities. for every content contributor, there are typically far more people that only upvote stuff, and in turn there are vastly more people who only have an account/subscribe, and even more lurkers. It goes up by order of magnitude with each of these tiers, and raddle is no exception to this rule. It's just how forums work online.

so I think you're wrong about your suspicions. maybe some of the admins have alts, whatever, but the ratios on raddle that you refer to are vastly better than those of mainstream online communities like reddit.

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An_Old_Big_Tree wrote (edited )

If anyone's interested, insofar as I use throwaways/alts, I do it because

  • I need to protect my identity.

  • I recognise that my opinions don't just come from an individual to some people, but from an individual who is an admin. So especially in order to avoid inhabiting authorititative positions I will do that.

  • I often don't have energy to give as thoughtful and structured a reply as I would like, and would rather an alt did it.

  • Here and there it's helpful to move conversation forward.

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GaldraChevaliere wrote

Delicious straighty tears.

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mouse OP wrote

I have actually come to terms with the fact that I am NB+bi. They/them please. Still in the closet IRL

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GaldraChevaliere wrote

Valid, but you're still an asshole.

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mouse OP wrote

Fair. Just don't call me straighty

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GaldraChevaliere wrote

How does "concern-trolling closet case" sound for you? Being enby doesn't excuse your consistently fucking awful behavior. Like, I'm happy for you cos. It's hard to accept that about yourself. Your immediate next move should be assessing how you interact with gender and how you still participate in and benefit from transmisogyny.

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foggymorn wrote

Well that's /u/curious...

they/them, closeted, shy, green-nihilism, straight edge, vegan

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mouse OP wrote

Yes. That's me. mouse + curious. You already made that public, despite your concern over "security culture"

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foggymorn wrote

I can't help but believe there is a bit of deception going on here, as well as manipulating conversation through persona accounts.

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mouse OP wrote

Yes. You got me. I'm a hypocrite etc etc. Say something new

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