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So how much of raddle is "real"?

Submitted by mouse in meta

During my short time here, I made an ass of myself. I started fights, didn't back down, accidentally misgendered someone, and went on a spree of what is essentially harassing green anarchists. I understand if I am not wanted here, and I apologise for everything.

However, I have still been lurking, occasionally, and upon digging deeper into the history of the site, have had my view of what Raddle is completely shifted.

I don't want to bring up old drama that I was not involved in out of context, but I sort of have to for this next bit. I have discovered that at least 3 other accounts besides "ziq" themself all belong to one person. Supposedly the other admins have multiple accounts too. Some of the biggest forums on the site boast 1-2000 subscribers, yet the top posts only have about 50 upvotes. I can't help but believe there is a bit of deception going on here, as well as manipulating conversation through persona accounts.

Raddle was supposed to be an escape from the beuracracy of reddit, as I understood it. An even more radical, satirical, nihilistic anarchist meme page than reddit would allow, with a shoplifting forum and news discussion to boot. Good stuff.

But how many users are really here? Is this just a circlejerk for 15 admins and their alts? Raddle seems completely centralized in the hands of a 3-5 different admins. I could be wrong, but frankly I'm just confused.

Reading old threads I have never seen so much infighting, drama, and near collapses of a community as there is here. It's frankly ridiculous. Why can't everyone stick to one account? Why were excuses being made?

Idk how to finish this. Raddle just seems more like the clubhouse for ziq and their friends rather than what could be gained from other forums... Even if other forums don't deplatfrom as effectively as the mods here do. Idk

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existential1 wrote

I'm sure ziq and the other admins/mods can speak for themselves. But I would say that I've yet to see a situation where someone wanted to start a community, or become a mod, who was denied the opportunity to do so. To me, Raddle is a lot more intimate than r/whatever.

Where you seem to see a small group of mods, I see a lot of people who are missing out on the opportunity to join Raddle and become them. It's the difference of being a mass-media thing and a taste-making thing. I actually enjoy seeing the same users all over the place in different forums, it feels like a community instead of a site full of topical-meme-name users.

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bloodrose wrote

I actually enjoy seeing the same users all over the place in different forums, it feels like a community instead of a site full of topical-meme-name users.

This. So much this. I love how it feels like people learning and growing together. I feel like we all help each other and grow with one another.

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alex_ wrote

Where you seem to see a small group of mods, I see a lot of people who are missing out on the opportunity to join Raddle and become them.

this.

also cue someone saying “but reddit just has a larger audience/i can convert libs” or some ignorant shit like that

i couldn’t give a shit about alts because if you hang around long enough you generally know who is who, and if you don’t does it really matter?

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mouse wrote

That's fine with me (a sort of DIY ethic) as long as there's no alt spamming

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foggymorn wrote

So much for security culture I guess, you want to see our papers too, liberal?

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mouse wrote

so much for security culture I guess

You guys doxxed my alt account... If you care so much, why don't you for your own and ziq's alts while you're at it?

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bloodrose wrote

We all guessed it was you based on the behavior on the account. It was so obvious, really.

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GaldraChevaliere wrote

It's not doxxing when you have nearly the exact same bio on both accounts, the same typing style, and engage in the same exact behaviors.

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mouse wrote

You're right, I should have done ziq's multiple-personality BS to cover my trail

/s

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GaldraChevaliere wrote

You know what the difference between you and Ziq is? Ziq got called out for their bullshit, admitted they were wrong, took a break, and apologized to most people they'd hurt when they came back. They ceded most of the hard and soft power they had over the site to others and got to work on themselves. They didn't make a fucking string of pity posts demonstrating a lack of self-awareness or willingness to change how they were treating people.

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mouse wrote

Okay. This makes sense.

Look, I may be back one day, maybe with this account, maybe not, and try to be better. I know you all don't really want me around as I currently am.

Until then, I would like to apologise to you particularly. I'm sorry for... Really everything. I'm sorry. Logging off now. My intention was never to troll or be a reactionary.

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foggymorn wrote (edited )

Why don't you just admit what you tried to do here? It couldn't be a clearer case of concern trolling. It's insulting that you lie to our faces. "I don't want to bring up old drama", really?

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mouse wrote

I wasn't trying to push any agenda through "concern trolling". I don't even know what that means (or didn't until I read the wiki). I have no alterior motives

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foggymorn wrote (edited )

Fuck off troll.

Edit

Adding this post to my concern troll writeup because it's the best example yet.

https://raddle.me/f/TrollDissection/53560/u-mouse-is-a-good-example-of-a-concern-troll-even-after

It's /u/curious that you're talking about people having multiple accounts...

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mouse wrote

I'm not trying to troll...

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foggymorn wrote

It would be ever so /u/curious if someone complaining about users having alts were using alts himself.

But you said you "don't want to bring up drama", so there's no way you would ever do something like that......

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bloodrose wrote

You are failing spectacularly at understanding why people were upset by you. We really don't need your concern about our site. It works just fine for us. Thanks and bye.

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mouse wrote

Over the u/curious incedent, from my understanding, people were upset at me for downplaying the hurt caused by a transphobe in favor of asking Galdra to not use slurs/KYS.

They are upset at me for needlessly mocking/strawmanning primitivists through memes.

They are upset at me for speaking out of line on trans and sex work issues. All of that I understand.

I have no anarchists/leftists that I talk to apart from the reddit sphere. My understanding of anarchy has come from reddit. I know that many of you consider reddit toxic and liberal/apologetic. That is where my anarchist education has come from, along with books much older than myself, leaving me unknowledgeable about some subjects. I also abstain from social media and do not interact with other leftist LGBT folk often. I was and am learning. I know my mistakes. I have apologised to Galdra on every occasion-- I do not often see eye to eye to her, but will never again speak down to her (or speak of "concerns").

Lurking through old threads did leave me wondering about Raddle, but again, I was not there. I just wanted to know what was up with the alts. And yes. I made one myself. I made it because I wanted to be seen as my "true self", moving on from the cishet label mouse had, as I recently discovered within myself that it is not who I am. But I was still an asshole. If I ever post on raddle again, it will be in a much more controlled, quiet, and respectful manner. I do not want to make anyone unsafe.

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bloodrose wrote

One of the things you did was to get into arguments with users, and then, when you were losing the argument would go to the entire site with some generic query that made you look all reasonable when you had just lost it in another thread. You garnered sympathy and respect for yourself while the other person in the argument looked awful/immature. It made you seem manipulative and untrustworthy.

When you came back with an alt account, you brought up the same subjects again, repeating the behavior under a new name. That's how we all knew it was you. It was exactly the same thing, the exact same subjects.

As to the other uses of alts that I have seen: one of the alts I know of is an alt that is used specifically by a user who wants to post interesting comments from reddit that they do not agree with per se but thinks would make a good starting point for a convo. Could they do it as their main account, making it clear they are quoting reddit? Yeah, sure. But I think the alt is harmless.

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alex_ wrote

i’m 100% real. i live a no-poseur lifestyle

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neverinNJ wrote

Raddle was supposed to be an escape from the bureaucracy (corrected) of reddit,

Lots of smart people in any sort of community are bound to have a go at each other from time to time. But the beauty of Raddle is I see more people willing to share and understand first rather than hurl back and forth blind judgments. Awesome to see.

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ziq wrote

Lol you sure spend a lot of time thinking about me. I have so mamy fans, damn.

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Tequila_Wolf wrote (edited )

If anyone's interested, insofar as I use throwaways/alts, I do it because

  • I need to protect my identity.

  • I recognise that my opinions don't just come from an individual to some people, but from an individual who is an admin. So especially in order to avoid inhabiting authorititative positions I will do that.

  • I often don't have energy to give as thoughtful and structured a reply as I would like, and would rather an alt did it.

  • Here and there it's helpful to move conversation forward.

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GaldraChevaliere wrote

Delicious straighty tears.

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mouse wrote

I have actually come to terms with the fact that I am NB+bi. They/them please. Still in the closet IRL

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GaldraChevaliere wrote

Valid, but you're still an asshole.

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mouse wrote

Fair. Just don't call me straighty

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GaldraChevaliere wrote

How does "concern-trolling closet case" sound for you? Being enby doesn't excuse your consistently fucking awful behavior. Like, I'm happy for you cos. It's hard to accept that about yourself. Your immediate next move should be assessing how you interact with gender and how you still participate in and benefit from transmisogyny.

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foggymorn wrote

Well that's /u/curious...

they/them, closeted, shy, green-nihilism, straight edge, vegan

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mouse wrote

Yes. That's me. mouse + curious. You already made that public, despite your concern over "security culture"

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foggymorn wrote

I can't help but believe there is a bit of deception going on here, as well as manipulating conversation through persona accounts.

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mouse wrote

Yes. You got me. I'm a hypocrite etc etc. Say something new