Submitted by Hyolobrika in meta (edited )

Why was it made?
I notice it seems to be mostly about 'leftwing' themes. Is that what it is officially about or is it just the community?. (btw the reason I put 'leftwing' in quote marks is to remind myself and others that groupings of views are arbitrary not neccesary)

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ziq wrote

See the wiki.

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GaldraChevaliere wrote

Lack of trust in the existing structures and 'leading' figures. Reddit's a capitalist website run by people with confirmed fascist sympathies, and problems are only ever dealt with when they impact profit, but left-wing and minority-led subs are routinely singled out for deletion or moderation. The ones that exist are largely headed by people with some serious issues regarding those same minorities, so folk went off and did their own thing, and here we are.

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Hyolobrika OP wrote

What is some evidence that 'leftist' subs were being targated at the expense of 'rightwing' subs. The only seeming evidence I saw linked on https://raddle.me/wiki/what_is_wrong_with_reddit was that r/physical_removal was left up but when I went to check, it had been removed. The burden of proof is on you to link to archives that testify to 'leftist' subs being removed before equivalent 'rightwing' ones. Also I would like you to link to archived comments, mod actions etc that testify to 'problems are only ever dealt with when they impact profit' and 'The ones that exist are largely headed by people with some serious issues regarding those same minorities' please

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BunnyBop wrote

Um, you have serious entitlement issues. Why would Galdra go through any of that for you? You wanted to know why and you got your answer. No one agreed to a debate so no one owes you the burden of proof.

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ziq wrote (edited )

lol look at you backing up the fash

he's just so reasonable

kindred spirits.

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sudo wrote

No one agreed to a debate so no one owes you the burden of proof.

The burden of proof always lies with the claim-maker, regardless of whether they are in a debate or not. It may be, as in this case, that it's too much work for what it's worth to fulfill the burden of proof, because these were experiences that a lot of people lived through, but didn't document at the time (and now they're scattered amidst millions of other reddit posts, so it would be a major chore to go back and find them all). But /u/Hyolobrika is well within their rights to ask for proof, since a factual claim was made. If, for whatever reason, the burden of proof cannot be fulfilled, then the other person has no reason to believe your claim, even if you yourself know it to be true.

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BunnyBop wrote (edited )

My ass. It is completely arrogant to come into a place, ask for a history, and then demand specific evidence as if the person who answered you was on trial. This isn't a court. If there were a decision to be made on the basis of this evidence, that would be one thing, but that's not the case. We're not deciding some community measure here, and if Hyolobrika is anything like the other rationalitybros I've seen over the years, they're only here to masturbate to their own perceived intelligence.

Edit: I don't think I've made my point well in the above paragraph so let me state it outright: it's fucking rude to expect someone to stop and do the work of putting specific evidence in front of you when they're not making any arguments.

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ziq wrote

if Hyolobrika is anything like the other rationalitybros I've seen over the years, they're only here to masturbate to their own perceived intelligence.

They came here from far right 'free speech' site notabug, they claim to be reasonable and rational and holy and superior, yet immediately tell a raddler to kill themselves for recognizing their fashy dogwhistles. Safe to say they're just as bad as we all sensed.

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An_Old_Big_Tree wrote (edited )

I think it's important here to take into account that it's a common troll tactic to waste people's time and resources getting them to do the work of coming up with sources for all of their claims.
The extensive way that proof was multiply-asked-for and the user's general engagement here lends well to this kind of interpretation of the user.

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surreal wrote

that shit again. this is ridiculous.

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ziq wrote (edited )

They also completely ignored the countless archives linked in the wiki that prove anarchists were persecuted by reddit admins (the ban of lwse, several r/@ mods for ludicrous reasons) and demanded different proof. So even giving them full documented direct evidence doesn't meet their standards of 'reason'.

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Hyolobrika OP wrote (edited )

You are arguing in bad faith by making incendiary and unjustified presumptions. Stop it.

| They came here from far right 'free speech' site notabug

Actually I found out about this place and notabug when I wanted to see deleted Reddit posts, searched for one of those sites and found http://snew.guthub.io/ (see top bar)

| tell a raddler to kill themselves for recognizing their fashy dogwhistles

Read this thread and educate yourself. It was all a misunderstanding.

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Hyolobrika OP wrote

No, you are the one with issues. I come in here intrigued and wanting to possibly learn about socialism, curious about why this place was made and when I calmly ask for evidence, I get attacked for being 'entitled'. If the claimer had just explained that it was too much effort sorry I would have been perfectly OK with that.

| You wanted to know why and you got your answer

It's not enough to have the belief available, what's necessary towards accepting that belief is some good sound reason to accept it. If it's too much work to prove it but you still have proof in your head then fine but I can't accept the belief under those circumstances.

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Hyolobrika OP wrote (edited )

None of what I originally posted was intended as an attack, nor did I have any idea that it would be taken as an attack.

If I said something offensive in the posts that weren't in response to unjustified attacks please point it out and explain why it was offensive and I will apologise.

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