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ziq wrote (edited )

I think leninists/stalinists are more frustrating to us than a lot of other capitalist ideologues because they appropriate our words (the same way ancaps do) and use them towards their authoritarian, nationalist, imperialist and genocidal ends. State-capitalists have basically destroyed the word 'communism' forever; the same way certain free-market capitalists destroyed 'libertarian' and are chipping away at 'anarchism'. But their politics are no worse than any other liberal's, it's just more annoying to us because by posing as radicals, they do damage to our movements by associating us with tyrannical capitalists.

But I don't think people should be banned from here for being a free market capitalist or a state capitalist, even the ones trolling radicals by appropriating our terminology, because then the site would be closed to 99.9999 percent of the population.

As long as tankies are not using raddle to promote their beloved dictator idols and making excuses for the enslaving and murdering of 'kulaks' (peasants), anarchists, and LGBTQ people, I don't think the admins should get involved.

The entire userbase of f/shoplifting likely adhere to pro-capitalist ideologies that have enslaved, displaced and slaughtered generations of people, and every non-reptile animal species on the planet is about to go extinct because of both state (China, USSR) and free-market (USA, Europe) capitalism... But banning everyone from that forum for liking capitalism, and closing the doors to 99.99999% of humanity wouldn't affect anything. We'd still be in the midst of the most rapid mass-extinction event in history. We'd still be fucked.

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Hyolobrika wrote

I'm curious, how are leninism and stalinism capitalist?

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sudo wrote

They aren't, anarchists just like to call anyone they don't like "capitalist" or "fascist", even when they're not.

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ziq wrote

Always fun when "nooo he only killed 10 million of his people, not 40 million! Praise Chairman Mao and his divine sacrifices for the party!" decides they're the arbiter of what makes a capitalist / fascist.

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martasultan wrote

So, seems you guys don't get it (had 3 or 4 downvotes when I commented this). Familiar with the Holodomor and Aardakh? Kronstadt or Makhno? Article 121?

Literally made being gay illegal w/ forced labour as a punishment.

Oh- or the Molotov-Ribbentrop pact, when they literally split Europe between their totally-not-an-empire and literally Nazi Germany.

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ziq wrote

You wanna maybe explain how state capitalism isn't state capitalism?

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ziq wrote

The reason the phrase 'white supremacy' is used and the word 'racism' isn't used in the content policy is because of people like this that insist poc being rude to white people is 'racist'.

A lot of the r/anarchism mods on reddit pull that shit, even using it to ban poc for being rude to them, so when I wrote the content policy here, I was very careful with the wording so that brocialists wouldn't be able to use our policies to support their shitty agendas.

With nationalism, there are again a lot of white anarchists that attack black people who are struggling to overcome centuries of colonialism and gain independence from global powers by establishing an independent nation state. I'd personally trust one of these 'black nationalists' over a white anarchist 9 times out of 10.

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ziq wrote (edited )

To be clear, I'm not a nationalist in any way shape or form, but I understand why people surrounded by white sharks would feel compelled to create borders to keep the sharks at bay.

White anarchists are hypocrites for attacking Global South people for not being pure enough while they lay back and enjoy all the spoils that came from centuries of colonialism.

I've seen way too many white anarchists dogpile on poc that have no choice but to establish a state to protect themselves from bloodthirsty colonialists that will pounce on any 'stateless' land (like is happening with the Kurds right now).

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ziq wrote (edited )

Yeah. White anarchists don't have the problems people in the global south have because they're protected by their powerful white-supremacist states that are busy cannibalizing everyone in the global South. Colonizers really shouldn't be lecturing the colonized about anything.

Being able to establish an anarchist society is kind of a privilege in of itself because it means you're in a position to dictate the course of global society i.e. your culture is already powerful enough that you can say "okay rest of the world, we're done with states and capital now, time to declare anarchy. Don't invade us tho, because it's time for global peace now that we've bombarded everyone else into submission and taken all the world's resources for ourselves, k?"

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sudo wrote

Stalinists aren't fascists.

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martasultan wrote

Yeah, they're not at all like fascists. They wouldn't launch imperialist wars, commit genocide, persecute LGBT people, or anything like that. They're true anti-imperialist comrades.

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martasultan wrote (edited )

So, seems you guys don't get it (had 3 or 4 downvotes when I commented this). Familiar with the Holodomor and Aardakh? Kronstadt or Makhno? Article 121?

Literally made being gay illegal w/ forced labour as a punishment.

Oh- or the Molotov-Ribbentrop pact, when they literally split Europe between their totally-not-an-empire and literally Nazi Germany.

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