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Thoughts on a sibling forum for radical porn?

Submitted by heckthepolice in meta (edited )

Hey y'all, this thread from awhile back discussing whether raddle should allow porn gave me an idea. While I fully agree with the ultimate decision to disallow it, this comment from u/tickl got me thinking:

I generally agree.

To play the devel's advocate: There's really no place on the internet which contains an organized collection of non-sexist/feminist pornography. It's really hard to find.

Although to be honest, I don't think that is within the scope of this site, but it's still worth keeping in mind.

I realized that, since postmill is free software, it shouldn't be especially difficult to make a seperate sibling forum to raddle specifically for radical/feminist/queer/etc. porn & erotica. It's not an idea I'm super invested in or anything, and I highly doubt I would host such a site myself anytime in the near future for a number of reasons (I don't have a server/vps, I don't know shit about web hosting, I don't want to invest the necessary time and labor to run and moderate the site, pretty iffy about having a porn site, especially one occupied by anarchists and radicals, registered under my name). However, I figure I might as well go ahead and throw the idea out there in case it interests anyone, especially someone who actually has the resources, expertise, and motivation to set it up.

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Tequila_Wolf wrote

I think it would be good but would only make sense to me if run by radical sex workers themselves.

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heckthepolice wrote

Totally. That's another reason I wouldn't wanna host it. Any computer-savvy rad sex workers are free to take this idea

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ziq wrote

This is a more recent thread about the same thing, which I think overturned the previous rule:

https://raddle.me/f/meta/32926/policy-discuss-should-pornography-be-prohibited-on-raddle

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heckthepolice wrote

Didn't realize the rule had changed, thanks for letting me know. I think there might still be some value in creating a space specifically for radical porn, though, particularly one run by sex workers. Of course, this isn't something that affects me personally very much (except insofar as the general misogyny, cis-man-centrism, and general grossness of most porn makes me not really wanna watch/look at it and having a source of porn that's not so appalling would be kinda nice). I'm much more interested in what sex workers think about it, since it's most relevant to them and their lives

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GaldraChevaliere wrote

I'd be supportive of the idea, and to be honest I'd rather host my content there then something like tumblr. It'd help if there was a way to support contributors through the site, though.

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heckthepolice wrote

That's a good point. I'm a two-steps-below-mediocre programmer myself, but someone more competent might be able to add some code to make that possible (or maybe just design a new system better suited to that purpose, if we wanna get really ambitious). Potentially we could also just use something like liberapay or GNU Taler once that gets off the ground.

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GaldraChevaliere wrote

We'd need a way to protect the sex workers on the site as well. I'm not really a fan of paygates or sadpanda-esque systems, but i'd rather not see anyone get doxxed for trying to support herself.

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heckthepolice wrote

Yeah, that's true. I guess I didn't really consider a lot of these things on account not having any personal experience with sex work. Thanks for all the valuable ideas!

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selver wrote

I think supporting performers whether they are involved in "feminist" porn or not is more important. The majority of feminist porn is ironically even more exploitative than regular porn.

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heckthepolice wrote

I see where you're coming from, but there's also a difference between saying "mainstream porn is pretty gross and misogynistic which makes me want to avoid it; it would be cool if there was a better alternative" and "sex workers involved in mainstream porn are bad and personally responsible for its grossness and misogyny". Maybe I'm just misinterpreting what you're saying, though.

The majority of feminist porn is ironically even more exploitative than regular porn

Interesting. Could you elaborate on that? I've never heard that before, but you may very well be right and I am by no means an expert.

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selver wrote

I just think conflating feminist porn with radicalism instead of as just another consumer brand or aesthetic is a mistake. Who's deciding what's sexist here? Cause women are into all kinds of porn that some would call problematic. Filtering for labor practices makes way more sense to me than filtering for content.

I've heard performers talk about how the woke porn studios are generally like any hip startup. They hire people with their sex positive aesthetic and then exploit them even more than traditional studios, cause they expect them to be artists or whatever, and so willing to work for less, longer hours, etc since it's seen as their career / dream and not just a job. No different than any other industry in that sense.

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heckthepolice wrote

Ok, that makes sense. I actually feel like one of the big advantages of a worker-run rad porn site is that it would allow people to make a living through sex work independently without having to deal with those porn studios and their bullshit. But I definitely see what you mean, and obviously under capitalism making porn more feminist in content doesn't inherently make it less exploitative in production. It's definitely important to approach this not only from a feminist perspective, but from an intersectional perspective that also includes anticapitalism (and anti-racism, queer issues, etc.). I guess it's symptomatic of the wider problems with capitalist feminism.