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selver wrote

I think supporting performers whether they are involved in "feminist" porn or not is more important. The majority of feminist porn is ironically even more exploitative than regular porn.

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heckthepolice wrote

I see where you're coming from, but there's also a difference between saying "mainstream porn is pretty gross and misogynistic which makes me want to avoid it; it would be cool if there was a better alternative" and "sex workers involved in mainstream porn are bad and personally responsible for its grossness and misogyny". Maybe I'm just misinterpreting what you're saying, though.

The majority of feminist porn is ironically even more exploitative than regular porn

Interesting. Could you elaborate on that? I've never heard that before, but you may very well be right and I am by no means an expert.

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selver wrote

I just think conflating feminist porn with radicalism instead of as just another consumer brand or aesthetic is a mistake. Who's deciding what's sexist here? Cause women are into all kinds of porn that some would call problematic. Filtering for labor practices makes way more sense to me than filtering for content.

I've heard performers talk about how the woke porn studios are generally like any hip startup. They hire people with their sex positive aesthetic and then exploit them even more than traditional studios, cause they expect them to be artists or whatever, and so willing to work for less, longer hours, etc since it's seen as their career / dream and not just a job. No different than any other industry in that sense.

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heckthepolice wrote

Ok, that makes sense. I actually feel like one of the big advantages of a worker-run rad porn site is that it would allow people to make a living through sex work independently without having to deal with those porn studios and their bullshit. But I definitely see what you mean, and obviously under capitalism making porn more feminist in content doesn't inherently make it less exploitative in production. It's definitely important to approach this not only from a feminist perspective, but from an intersectional perspective that also includes anticapitalism (and anti-racism, queer issues, etc.). I guess it's symptomatic of the wider problems with capitalist feminism.