Submitted by 0w0 in meta (edited )

This is very insulting to all the people of MENA and non westerns in general. I my self have partipate in protest in my country and saw other people died, when westerns tell us that we don't exist, and we did it because we were coopted and not because we suffer oppression, poverty, etc. and they refuse to listen our voices is total bigotry. And I think that this need to be addressed here.

Edit: Fixing link that only show one comment

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GaldraChevaliere wrote

It's a serious dick move, aye. Reading through it a lot of it seems like they don't even know what they believe about it, they're just wrapped up in "okay but America though" without considering any of the other factors. Thinking that all kurds are alike and have the same politics was pretty sketch too. Reading further down, it looks like they were super aggressive to you too. There's zero reason for that kind of smug condescension.

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supernice wrote

Thinking that all kurds are alike and have the same politics was pretty sketch too

I think I made it abundantly clear that I do not believe this. You're free to think what you will though. Enjoy.

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ziq wrote

It saddens me that this happened but I don't know what else can be said. I was super uncomfortable reading the whole thing and hope you can both put it behind you.

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mofongo wrote

Missing question, how do you propose this should be addressed?

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0w0 OP wrote

That's up to this community I think. I raised my issues and I guess that is up to you to decide what is best.

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mofongo wrote

Reading all, it looks like the solution is for you two not to engage with each other. Is that all right with you?

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0w0 OP wrote

I won't going to stop on defend my kind against bigotry and discrimination.

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mofongo wrote (edited )

That's understandable, and I'm not asking you to. I'm referring that /u/supernice says they won't antagonize you anymore; they were warned by /u/tequila_wolf about their inappropriate language both towards you and /u/brick.

So, as long as they keep their word, would you be willing not to engage them?

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supernice wrote (edited )

/u/0w0, as I said previously, if you begin by insulting me what do you expect in return? In fact, your continued assumptions about me and what I think, even in this thread, is the root of why I'm being hostile to you.

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0w0 OP wrote

You starting insulting Leila Nachawati Rego about why she and their kind use the term "Syria revolution" to talk about THEIR strugle, so what do YOU expect in return?

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0w0 OP wrote

And I didn't make assumptions, I can read your account history you know. The fact that you called my links in Arabic "Wahabbi apology" proves that you are not from the MENA. You are who is making assumptions because I'm from Latin America, how do you know that I'm not from the Syrian diaspora? I can differentiate when someone is from the West because Western culture is not our culture, your disregard for us is evident, You can think whatever you want, is not important to us, I lost many people in my life to be worry by random ramblings from the internet.

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0w0 OP wrote

And you keep assuming that the account that you named is the same person that me, we are similar because we probably were raised in similar ways, however our opinions are waaaay different and it should be evident to you if instead of insulting me try to read my links and undertand why what you are saying is very offensive.

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supernice wrote

how do you know that I'm not from the Syrian diaspora?

Has it never occurred to you that you might be speaking with another Syrian in the diaspora as well?

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0w0 OP wrote

Then you shouldn't have problem in respond the links in Arabic. And though that you haven't the slightest desire to engage me any further. So if we gonna keep with this I ask a resolution by the community on this issue.

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supernice wrote

I haven't the slightest desire to engage with you any further because we cannot communicate with each other in a civil manner. Why would you care to keep speaking with me? I don't understand. Must I conform to your opinion? That's about as likely to happen as you conforming to mine. Neither of which is necessary. You and I have both been complete asses to each other, so why keep it up?

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Brick wrote

Are you Syrian or not?

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supernice wrote

Would me being Syrian therefore grant me a right to an opinion? Is that what it takes?

I intentionally choose not to disclose much about myself online. I don't know who you are, and don't particularly care to. Do me the same favor. This is has gotten beyond the point of ridiculous.

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Brick wrote

You keep insinuating you might be Syrian to win your argument with them. If you're not Syrian but using the insinuation to shut them up, then it's abusive.

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supernice wrote

I'm neither trying to win anything or shut anyone up. It seems rather the opposite to me actually. What I don't understand is what's your stake in this? You seem to be poking and poking and poking...for what I wonder?

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Brick wrote

I think you harassed this person into no longer feeling comfortable using this site and I'm upset about it.

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supernice wrote

OK, that's fair. I can understand that. But what's your solution then? Are you going to harass me until you feel like I'm uncomfortable as well? Are you going to try to get a mod to ban me? A mod already stepped in when you accused me of being ableist, and I backed off and said I wouldn't engage them any longer. Forgive me if that's been hard, but the two of you keep going on and on about this it's hard to sit by and not say something.

Let's get back to the Syrian thing a bit. Earlier there were accusations that I was saying something to the extent of all Kurds are the same. That's not true, and I explained that to the best of my ability, even though you still apparently believe that. So am I to understand that it is not possible that I can be Syrian if I have a differing opinion than another user who is also Syrian? By that do you mean that ALL Syrians are the same? I don't think you really do, I'm just saying this so you see why I think you wanting to know if I'm really Syrian or not is silly. Both of us can be claiming to be Syrian or Chinese or Mexican.....how can you really know if either of us is what we are claiming, or to use your words insinuating?

I could easily think that you're just stirring up trouble. After all, you seem to be making this into some personal quest. And maybe you are, but I'm not taking that opinion just yet. I'm taking you at your word.

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Brick wrote

I'm not harassing you. The solution is to stop engaging which you said you'd do but you send them at least 3 messages after that.

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supernice wrote

Wow, this is really going in circles with you. I've got somewhere to be in a 20 minutes, so this is the last you'll hear from me until I'm back online, but have a look:

You said:

but using the insinuation to shut them up

I said:

Forgive me if that's been hard, but the two of you keep going on and on about this it's hard to sit by and not say something.

So who's trying to shut who up at this point? I have tried to disengage, but if the two of you keep directing comments towards me and about me, I have the right to respond to them. I've got to leave now or I'm going to be late, but here's an Idea for you: start a thread to vote for a ban on me, or do it here if you wish. I won't hold it against you. If that's what it's going to take to give you a sense of justice, by all means. As soon as I'm back online, I'll know what the outcome is. Have a good day/night.

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