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kore wrote (edited )

Oppose.

mediation (and /f/mediation) is very important. As /u/leftous said in the /u/dellitsni mediation thread, I am not a fan of the "ban first, ask later" mentality.

There are a lot of people here (including you) that are extremely knowledgable and well-equipped to handle this sort of shit from people and I would much rather try to engage them and show them what's wrong with their ways to gain new comrades than make them hate us and sink further into their bigotry. As a side note to that, I will try to engage people more.

Edit: /u/dellitsni and /u/Fossidarity are clearly invested in our community in other ways (the Konsent project is really something). I for one would be upset if I were swiftly banned for posting offensive content out of ignorance. I would much rather receive criticism and be given the opportunity to change.

Radical movements should have love at the center. It's the only choice in this world of hate.

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jadedctrl wrote

/u/emma didn't propose “ban first, ask later”-- she proposed the opposite,

bans to repeat offenders

To repeat offenders. That implies both a duration of time between making several bigoted posts, and having discussion & time to reflect before being banned or allowed to say.

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kore wrote

Give current and future admins a mandate to aggressively remove posts that contain such oppressive speech, and ban those who made them.

Admins are mandated to ban anyone who posts "such oppressive speech". Absolutely no discussion involved.

I agree that, if after discussing with them and giving a warning ban, they continue to post oppressive speech, they should get permabanned.

She did not propose the opposite. She proposed that admins are required to give temp bans to any oppressive speech. I am against that.

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Tequila_Wolf wrote

kore, are you really following what has been happening?

I agree that, if after discussing with them and giving a warning ban, they continue to post oppressive speech, they should get permabanned.

This is exactly what happened with dellitsni. I gave them a forum ban and directed them to mediation for discussion. They continued to do what they were being accused of even in their attempt at an apology. Then they continued to post oppressive speech, now with regards to race. At this stage I didn't permaban them, I still sent it to mediation, again.

What aren't you or I understanding?

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kore wrote

I think I may have just misunderstood what emma meant by her post. Her post doesn't really advocate for mediation at all, and I think that's all I really had a problem with. Your position (and one I advocate) seems to be "temp ban offensive posters immediately and send them to /f/mediation instead of engaging them on the original post." "Broad mandate to crack down" seems very far from this, at least to me.

What you did was the right thing to do and yeah, dellitsni is saying some offensive shit and should probably be banned.

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Pop wrote

I am not a fan of the "ban first, ask later"

but if its just a temporary forum ban for a blatant offense, and the discussion is moved to mediation to save people from having to deal with racism or whatever, what is the problem

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kore wrote

no problem, i was just confused because the OP doesn't mention this approach explicitly at all.