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jadedctrl wrote (edited )

I want to thank you for how much work you put into raddle… it's been a island, for a while.

I'm not sure where exactly, but I have a strong, looming feeling that this community will be somewhere else soon enough.

Honestly, I don't feel like it's safe to talk too much about this community's future on raddle. But…

Hosting: We need a good member of the community to host Raddle-2. I (and I'm sure everyone here) would trust you to do a great job, but you have more than enough on your plate already. I'd do it, but I'm in the US.

We're at a do-ocracy point right now. If someone can and is willing to host it, just go for it. Get a domain, and set up a Postmill instance as a spiritual successor to Raddle. Just go for it. I'll jump aboard as soon as I hear of it, and I hope most of us would do the same.

Technical Aspect: Emma's had some pain from this community… but if she can come to heal and join it again (as developer or not), that would be nice… But if she does (as developer), then hopefully Postmill will do for some time to come.

If she does (but not as developer) or doesn't, then we'll need PHP developer(s) to take the helm. Hopefully one of us will learn enough PHP to take on the task.

If not, then we can jump to a new base. Nettle, perhaps? I don't know. I've been working on wiki software in Clisp for a couple weeks, and I feel like I could write raddle-esque software in it if need be. It wouldn't be as technically interesting as Nettle, of course.

Hopefully we can stick with Postmill.

Whatever happens, this community can just go upward. :)

EDIT: In the immediately-short-term, join the Matrix room-- #raddle:disroot.org

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dele_ted wrote

You hit the nail on the head.

Where is Raddle being hosted right now? Does the community have any preferences for hosting solutions if someone were to buy a new domain and setup Raddle 2?

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jadedctrl wrote

Where is Raddle being hosted right now?

It looks like it's being hosted on Digital Ocean

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dele_ted wrote (edited )

Alright. Are you completely sure that buying a new domain and abandoning Raddle is a good solution? I really doubt it would fix anything. Letting ziq generously host it all haven't caused any issues yet (besides the fact that Raddle could go offline at any moment), the real issue seems to be ziq's alts and the moderation/administration system, none of which would be fixed with a new domain.

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jadedctrl wrote (edited )

I agree completely—but setting up a more democratic system would take a good amount of time, whereas a temporary solution (new host) would take almost no time at all. Tackle the immediate issues, then the long-standing ones.

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ziq wrote (edited )

I'm fully in support of actually creating a functional deciding mechanism and applaud your efforts to attempt it. My only suggestion is that it's consensus-based instead of rule-of-the-majority. Raddle never had any policy deciding system to speak of because no one could code one. I never expected an anonymous voting system to be at all functional and was forever afraid it would be used by bad actors to destroy the site.

I made multiple proposals early on to create an actual policy-deciding system that wasn't open to abuse, but had no idea how to go about it myself.

Any system that uses rule-or-the-majority will exclude minority voices and turn the site into witchhunt central. Please take into account how much 'democracy' has fucked over the world.

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dele_ted wrote

That's good to hear! Konsent is almost purely based on concensus, especially after we've added discussion during phase two, and are planning to implement stand-asides along with the veto system.

The two points where direct democracy is being used (phase 1, voting for the more urgent issues to go first, and phase 2, voting for the best solution), it is completely onymous. If a solution that doesn't take the minorities into serious consideration is voted for, it'll be vetoed instantly, and will have to be reformed.