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sudo wrote

If a user their posts get deleted their votes should also be undone.

I agree with this part, but I don't think we should restrict voting, at least not yet. We could create an automated system that would detect vote manipulation, and notify an admin. A good start would be "If at least three accounts that are less than a day old all up/downvote on the same submission within 10 minutes of each other, send a message to an admin." The number of accounts / time periods can be tweaked, but I think that would be better than not allowing new users to vote at all. Doing the latter could turn new people away from the site.

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Fossidarity wrote (edited )

But would it really deter that much new users? What if you only need to create 1 post? I think it would be a bigger hurdle for trolls than for new users.

If you are a new user and want to create an account to vote for things you probably are already invested in it somewhat, so adding some posts shouldn't be that big of a deal at that point.

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sudo wrote

If you are a new user and want to create an account to vote for things you probably are already invested in it somewhat, so adding some posts shouldn't be that big of a deal at that point.

That's true for some people, but others may not be that invested in the site, and are just making an account to "test the waters". If the first thing they see is that they aren't allowed to vote, that might turn them away from the website, whereas they may have stayed and become a member of the community otherwise. It's a good idea, but I think making an automated vote manipulation detection system would accomplish the same thing, without the downside of potentially turning away new users.

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Fossidarity wrote

You could be right but I've seen this system for example at Stack Overflow and it seems to work pretty well there.

An automated vote manipulation system would of course always be a good thing but it's probably a lot harder to implement.

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buzz wrote

most new users lurk and upvote before they participate in the conversation, as they are learning the norms and ettiteque that comes within the raddle "culture". this is the way for most forums, if there was a more provsions for new users, like a 'welcome' post that everyone does, then this problem would be reduced.

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AngryData wrote

The moment I can't comment or upvote without posting first is the moment im gone. I had 500,000 comment karma on reddit with a 9 year old account, I had 1 post karma from the default.

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selver wrote

I thought this was already the policy? From the sidebar:

Anyone with a month-old account and 20 posts/comments has voting rights.

It's not coded in, but people check account ages when votes happen.

Support if that's not already the policy. I'm always bothered when votes from people I've never seen before come in, or who haven't posted in months.

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dele_ted wrote

I think they're talking about downvoting/upvoting comments and posts, not voting in /f/meta.

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selver wrote (edited )

Oh. I'd oppose that. Upvotes don't matter.

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Tequila_Wolf wrote

Mass-downvoting can sink things though.

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AngryData wrote

And this won't help in any way, it just makes the botters post some garbage content and upvote each other first which further pollutes the waters.

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AngryData wrote (edited )

yeah no, the reason I never abandoned reddit before is I would go onto another site, try to post a comment and get "Sorry, you didn't submit enough post garbage spam to comment or vote yet" and then I left, and then everybody else left because nobody could comment except for post spammers and bots.