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[POLICY] What materials can or can’t be posted?

Submitted by MalkyTop in meta

Hi all. I’m coming in from r/megalinks...anyways I messaged a mod first about this so I’ll just let you guys see the messages first:

MalkyTop wrote to Tequila_Wolf about 2 hours ago

Hello. I don’t know if you know of r/megalinks, but with recent dcma takedowns we’ve been looking for another place to house ourselves. However, some users have concerns that moving here would just result in being kicked out again due to a perceived political disagreement in terms of materials we may share. Mostly megalinks shares movies and tv shows and such. So I would like to ask, what would fall under the “misogyny, homophobia, et al” umbrella? For example if that one google employees misogynist manifesto was posted I can understand that would be taken down, but if some one posted a download of all episodes of Sherlock, for instance? What about certain documentaries?

Thanks for your time.

Tequila_Wolf replied about 1 hour ago

Hi!

I have a general sense of what's happened with r/megalinks.

I'll try to clarify, though I may not do it as well as I like since this is the first time I've had to. Things like episodes of everyday movies and TV series are totally fine in terms of content. So Sherlock would be totally fine, and I assume most documentaries would also be fine. Characters in Sherlock may actually be sexist assholes, but that's completely different from the show itself endorsing and promoting the sexism. Pretty much anything that plays on normal tv, netflix etc. or in cinemas is going to be fine. Things would go on a case-by-case basis, but for example, a documentary made by fascists, rape apologists, or homophobes in order to push their hateful agenda would be a problem. An example of a homophobic film might be a film that was church funded and basically just pedalled anti-gay ideas to ignorant audiences. The established userbase is probably more clear on what these problems are than the average problem, so there may be occasional disagreement, but I imagine that it won't happen much. We've been quite surprised that despite the huge influx of new users, there have been very few problem users.

Even links to that google employee manifesto could be made, as objects of interest, if it were framed by the poster as something they don't endorse. (Moderators and admins are quite practiced in noticing who is being disingenuous and who isn't). Examples of this may readily be found in f/Cringe, though I'm not interested in that forum myself.

You're welcome to engage me further on this, but ideally you should just do it publicly with a post in f/meta - I am not an overlord of Raddle and I abhor authority, it's a community space and we do what we can to make our decisions collectively. Also this way everything is transparent and I can refer people to the question if anyone else is interested. You would be welcome to repost what you and I have said here so far in one if you choose to do so.

Welcome to Raddle :)

tl;dr what material is definitely not allowed to be shared through downloads and how many of you care

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leftous wrote

99.9% of Hollywood films and shows will be completely fine.

There are just certain films explicitly made as racist and fascist propaganda, and that's what we can't allow here. For example, a documentary pushing Holocaust denialism or "race realism", the type of stuff you can find on youtube.

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MalkyTop wrote

Thanks leftous (et al). I think your responses make all of your positions clear! ^^

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Ant wrote (edited )

for an idea of what actually gets banned, have a look at the global moderation log in the sidebar of this forum

also every individual forum has its own moderation log for transparency

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selver wrote

I can't think of anything that wouldn't be allowed. Maybe PUA instructional videos or something?

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AngryData wrote (edited )

Honestly, I think you should get rid of these rules. Not because I want people to post them, but because it sets a dangerous precedent that is easily abused when we already have the right kind of user base to self-select content and suppress lies and bullshit. Voat is already a containment site for those people.

I don't need nor want other people telling me what is and isn't acceptable for me to read about, its the main reason I came here from reddit. And if I see censorship just because somebody disagrees with the content, ill drop this place in a heart beat. Just reading about it makes me want to leave, it's extremely authoritarian even if you think its for the right reasons.

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jadedctrl wrote

Promotes white supremacy, homophobia or heterosexism, transphobia or cisgenderism, misogyny or patriarchy, classism, ableism, body shaming, antisemitism, Islamophobia, colonialism or age discrimination.
Sexualizes minors or promotes adults having sex with minors.
Trivializes or makes light of rape.
Apologizes for police or military brutality, imperialism, eugenics, genocide. Apologizes for violence towards children.
Is a pornographic image/video (however, nudity is permitted if it's non-pornographic).

The rules are pretty reasonable— basically just don't be a Nazi, sexist, or pedophile.

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AngryData wrote

Nope that's full on Authoritarian bullshit "Apologizes for" yeah that is totally specific and not vague in any way shape or form. Its not like you could use them to ban almost any comment with them.

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jadedctrl wrote

Apologizes for police/military brutality

”Well, cops kind of have to murder unarmed black people.”
”Civilian causalities? Well, they come with the territory!”

Apologizes for imperialism

“Well, we're helping them! We've civilizing the backwards!”

Apoligzes for eugenics

“Well, maybe sterilizing the ill and killing the disabled isn't so bad!”

Apologizes for genocide

“The Holocaust wasn't so bad! Fuck Jews!”

Apologizes toward violence towards children

“Well, they kind of had to beat that toddler to a bloody pulp, you know?”


It's all pretty straight-forward, mate. :p
Even if you consider them to be vague (they're not really), the ToS hasn't been abused yet—this site has the utmost transparency from admins and moderators. They've done a great job at not letting this become like the tankie subreddits.

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TheLegendaryBirdMonster wrote

to add with what everyone already said, raddle is quite accepting with errors and anarchists love educating people on our stances.

If you accidentally post something that doesn't fall in line with the site's policies, but positively engage with the community afterwards: understand why we don't want it here, remove the content, and are not a dick about it you should be fine.