ban hooktube and give anyone defending it a warning
Submitted by zombie_berkman in meta
currently i see at least 2 people defending a site made by a reactionary, for reactionaries, created to give reactionaries a platform, that link to gab and use to link to a literal nazi site under their "friends" section because its "useful".
anyone that defends a reactionary platform as "useful" can seriously fuck off into traffic
leftous wrote
Support.
In this case, hooktube is also proprietary. It poses a danger to our users to link to any alt-right/fascist content without archive links.
hooktube is essentially just youtube-dl according to them. Also there are other platforms that can be used to post and share videos if you insist.
anarcho_pirate wrote
What do you suspect is the way they stream videos from the site? If I use youtube-dl myself I might have to wait ~10 minutes for a longer video to download before starting it (although to be fair I always use the highest quality available). Are they just on a fast connection and downloading lower quality videos on demand when someone visits the hooktube page for that video, and then streaming them from their site? Or is there some way I can use youtube-dl to stream from youtube while keeping the privacy benefits?
leftous wrote (edited )
I believe what they are doing is using youtube-dl to convert the URL into its raw form (hosted on googlevideo). If you copy the link they are embedding on their site, you'll see that it's posted on googlevideo.com
So probably just the youtube-dl --get-url command
If you do that and copy the url into your browser, it's the same as using hooktube.
Edit: Just tested this and it works
youtube-dl [URL] -g -f 43
This produces the link that you can copy into your browser for direct streaming
leftous wrote
Btw made a separate topic to discuss it
imminent wrote
And so is Youtube, are we going to ban simply because it's proprietary? Ultimately creating a hooktube fork would be the best solution, but until we get there we should put some of our bandwidth into screwing up hooktube's API.
As I said somewhere else,
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Yes but does youtube-dl have geo-location as well? Also in the convenience viewpoint it's not as good as a website, for example I always use Tor so I don't want to fear having some leaks when proxying it when Tor Browser already makes sure there are no leaks. There's also no search feature and preview with it unfortunately.
ziq wrote
If it's your site just be honest about it and tell us what you're doing to denazify it (if anything).
imminent wrote
If that was my site why would I encourage you to DDoS it and post stuff like the following? https://raddle.me/f/mediation/25975/comment/33615
leftous wrote (edited )
You missed the second half of my statement where I said proprietary AND run by the alt-right. Linking from this site could mean they are tracking the referrer and potentially deploying mallicious code. Looking at past versions of their site on webarchive, they clearly have an obsession with attacking the "alt-left" and evil SJWs. YouTube is going to track you, but theyre not doxing and harassing you.
Sure people should be using privacy software, but not everyone is a privacy expert with an airtight setup. We have casual left liberals visiting raddle all the time. It is more important that we limit the security risks to our users, than try to ddos some alt-right losers.
ziq wrote (edited )
Support. It's always the same shitty voat troll that shills for that site and imgoat.
imminent wrote (edited )
ziq, please don't hide the fact that you yourself actually posted links to it (hooktube):
https://archive.fo/JoVl3 (Please don't remove it or edit that post if you don't want to harm your (up until now) reasonable integrity)
For some strange reason, wasting that site's bandwidth and costing him more became a taboo here only recently, perhaps following this OP's comments. It's literally weird that we're fighting over something so trivial as wasting an alt-righters money by profiting off his useful web service.
I'm not shilling for that site I WANT IT TO BE GONE TO BE DESTROYED AND TO INFLICT MONETARY DAMAGE ON ITS OPERATOR: https://raddle.me/f/mediation/25975/comment/33615
ziq wrote
fucking creepy
imminent wrote
I find that disrespectful.
ziq wrote
Oh no
[deleted] wrote (edited )
Edit: deleted a misplaced comment.
imminent wrote
It's absolutely not my goal nor my intention, if you paid close attention then you'll realize that it's the other person in this exchange (not me) that started this whole hooktube-oh-no-please-no-drama : https://raddle.me/f/funny/25890/racist-dog-groomer-caught-blatantly-lying
shanoxilt wrote
Is PeerTube any good?
imminent wrote
I think you're misunderstanding what hooktube does, there are no videos that are hosted on hooktube, it's a just a "proxy" for Youtube that gives you their video URLs directly.
selver wrote (edited )
Support.
If you're implying I'm one of the two, you need a fucking reading comprehension class bud.
zombie_berkman wrote
well now that you edited your post it doesnt say that
dele_ted wrote
Listen, you're being extremely toxic. We all agree hooktube is bad, stop attacking community members for nothing at all.
zombie_berkman wrote
maybe if you dont want to be called out dont support or defend nazi sites?
selver wrote (edited )
Which post? The one here? I decided I didn't want to get into it again.
In the other thread, all I said was that a service allowing people to avoid YouTube is useful. If Hooktube weren't run by reactionaries, it'd be useful. Initially it seemed like that's all imminent was getting at, since they suggested copying the code to a new place, but since then they've gone a bit overboard with the support for hooktube specifically.
imminent wrote
Sorry, does this look like support for Hooktube? https://raddle.me/f/mediation/25975/comment/33615 I will never ever support hooktube in its current state and I will do my best to bring them down.
selver wrote
You're literally arguing to use it in this thread. All I'm saying is it's a fucking weird hill to die on. Another user suggested an alternative, but you still seem to want to stick with the Nazi version.
imminent wrote
That's false, youtube-dl isn't an alternative as I explained to them.
zombie_berkman wrote
bro you fucking went back and edited your post. before you acknowledged it was run by nazis but still said it was useful and good
zombie_berkman wrote
so let me get this straight you think people should use it and its useful but you arent advocating it? also you clearly wanted to get into it because you made this post defending yourself even tho i didnt say it was you.
selver wrote
No, I don't think people should use it, I never said people should use it.
I didn't want to get into it, but you made it pretty clear you were referring to me. I edited to tone down the aggressiveness a little.
zombie_berkman wrote
fuck you thats why you are STILL replying. also you edited your post. its not my fault you fucked up and deiced to try and call me out. you could have just not posted and this would have never happened. but you chose to start shit with me so im going to end it.
selver wrote
I didn't edit any post that said anything remotely close to what you're accusing me of. I didn't start this, you did. Don't start threads putting words in my mouth if you don't want me to respond.
zombie_berkman wrote
https://raddle.me/f/mediation/25975/comment/33580 YOU CLEARLY EDITED BOTH FUCKING COMMENTS. also i never mentioned you in this thread until you showed up so how about you shut the fuck up and leave then? i going to block you but i would still have to see your craptactular bullshit in other posts in threads im in. so pat yourself on the back and get the last word in so you can think you won.
selver wrote
I edited them right after I posted them, just to fix language. You responded to both of them after I had already edited them.
imminent wrote
As /u/ziq says,
Please refrain from using insults.
ziq wrote
I think you misread the last word there, fam.
imminent wrote
Oh sorry, but I still think he should be more respectful towards other members.
DissidentRage wrote
Agree.
imminent wrote
I gave my thoughts on this more than once: to fight the Nazis online you should increase their hosting costs. For hooktube that means actually using it (for non-technical people) and DDoSing it by countering Cloudflare and their increasing the load on their API until it breaks up (for technical people).
jadedctrl wrote
For most sites, increasing hosting costs by actually using it is good for them. It shows the sysadmin that people appreciate it at least, and at most (on some sites) can bring in some revenue. Besides, the cost of actually using a site like hooktube really won't vary too much even if we all started using it regularly-- unless we all become heavy users. But that's not very likely at all.
DDoSing it would work, though.
imminent wrote
Unfortunately he's behind Cloudflare and even if I bypass it I'm sure he'll backlist my IP from which the attack will come or will fix that by only allowing Cloudflare's and Youtube's IP addresses. As you may now DDoSing a website behind Cloudflare is certainly not possible with the current resources at our disposal. But, flooding his API certainly works as it's not done on the Cloudflare side but on his server.
DissidentRage wrote
Also just using it normally they can run scripts or make calls to other services from the back end to track you.
imminent wrote
As I said somewhere else,
imminent wrote
Yes, but for Hooktube in particular since (please understand the following point as it's very crucial) Youtube has rate limiting, that means the number of requests that Hooktube can make is limited, and if there are too much requests to hooktube's API then Youtube may block its server or rate limiting thereby altering performance for everyone, in which case its main sysadmin will have to setup not only one backend but more this time raising his costs.
selver wrote (edited )
Yeah but you'd be increasing his userbase until he decides to monetize it (which he will). That's helping him.
imminent wrote
You do realize that his service doesn't scale well? (Which is another crucial point) At one point 1000 requests/s, or heck just 100 searches/s, it will require dozens of instances to run. And I'm sure when it explodes we won't be seeing him anytime soon.