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Announcement: Banning /u/kretek in 24 hours for TERFing unless the community objects [Banned & Data Deleted By Request]

Submitted by ziq admin in meta (edited )

Several users have been pointing out to us that /u/kretek has a months-long pattern of promoting and defending trans-exclusionary ideas and insisting that 'biological women' shouldn't accept trans women as equals. This bigotry is a violation of the terms of service.

They were banned from f/memer 2 months ago for 'doubling down on TERFery' but have continued to do it on other forums.

A direct quote from /u/kretek:

Biological females have a right to organize in female-only spaces if they wish, and to do so is not transphobic, nor does it warrant violence against women.

More:

https://raddle.me/f/memer/18842/comment/24132

https://raddle.me/f/AskRaddle/21954/comment/27445

https://raddle.me/f/memer/17410/comment/22301

https://raddle.me/f/ShitLiberalsSayOrDo/24165/comment/30410

https://raddle.me/f/memer/18373/comment/23584

SWERFish:

https://raddle.me/f/Anarchism/19086/comment/24360

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jadedctrl wrote

None over here. They're transphobic af and annoyingly disingenuous about it.

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glitter_v0id wrote

People have been OVERLY willing to try to talk it out and politely change this person's view.

fuck them. fuck their shitty belief that banning trans women from women's spaces is somehow revolutionary and not adherence to the status quo contributing to their murder. they have made it clear in this thread they have no intention of being a decent person and is going to continue doubling down on being a terf.

and by the post in this thread i am now afraid they will start raiding /f/trans....

they should have been permabamned awhile ago.

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DissidentRage wrote

Yeah if this were a couple comments or two and they seemed to be promoting some unchallenged ignorance, I'd say they should be addressed about it first. But if people have already tried to sway them out of it, it demonstrates an unwillingness to self-criticize and reflect on why they hold the beliefs that they do.

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boringskip wrote

Ban from matrix chat too, i assume?

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glitter_v0id wrote (edited )

[e:hijacking reply to link a mediation thread ]

Wanting women-only spaces is not transphobic. Wanting women-only spaces does not condone violence against trans people.
~kretek link

You would keep that.

You would let the person who posted that continue being a community member.

You are supporting violence against trans women and have absolutely no right to moderate /f/trans.

Go fuck yourself.

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glitter_v0id wrote

You shouldn't allow that rhetoric anywhere. It should not have a platform here.

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glitter_v0id wrote

To be clear i am not suggesting you should be banned or stripped of all moderation. just /f/trans. we have a lot of shit to unlearn, and I've noticed afab trans people (self included) have a difficult time wholly unlearning shit overnight in part because of our own rejection of femininity in ourselves.

but don't do it at the expense of others safety here.

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glitter_v0id wrote (edited )

...you don't agree that giving a terf a platform is supporting a terf?

are you fucking seriously doubling down?

edit: this isn't the best place for what could easily devolve into a flamewar I'm going to make a post on /f/mediation.

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zod wrote (edited )

Yeah I don't think we should be yelling insults at people in f/meta for disagreeing, or the place will turn into struggle sessions central where everyone is too afraid to say anything.

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glitter_v0id wrote (edited )

I linked you a two day old comment thread.

here it is again

https://raddle.me/f/ShitLiberalsSayOrDo/24165/comment/30410

you support terfs having a platform here.

Step the fuck down. You need to deal with your own internalized transmisogyny before you can safely moderate it.

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ziq wrote

Someone says transphobes try to infiltrate raddle and you go "are you talkin bout me?"

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_ziq_ wrote

Do you think trans women should be excluded fron women only spaces or not?

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zod wrote

Biological females have a right to organize in female-only spaces if they wish, and to do so is not transphobic, nor does it warrant violence against women.

Their definition of 'transphobia' is obviously 'whatever I say it is'.

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glitter_v0id wrote (edited )

[e:hijacking reply to link a mediation thread ]

....you just made /f/trans a lot less safe...

e: elaboration

if you believe terfs deserve a space here because they're contributing in "other ways", you are saying their ideology isn't inherently harmful.

Would you support keeping a racist who digs their heels in the sand every time they're told they're being racist because they're vegan? If no, you're also a hypocrite. And yeah if you'd keep them because of it you're also saying racism is OK...

How fucking dare you say that. How fucking dare you support keeping someone who wants to exclude our own and has absolutely no interest in hearing why that is actively harmful.

"they've been civil" jesus fucking respectability much? Yes, they present their violent arguments in a palatable manner. THEY STILL ARE CALLING FOR THE REMOVAL OF TRANS WOMEN FROM WOMENS SPACES. End of. This is a clear TOS violation, repeatedly and knowingly. With citations.

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ziq wrote (edited )

I'm not just espousing hate

You refuse to recognize certain women as women. That's straight up hate with no room for misunderstanding. You are absolutely being hateful in rejecting trans women. You are a hateful bigot.

what is the purpose of Raddle? To be an elite, exclusive community of people who all share the exact same political beliefs

The ToS outlines it perfectly well. Anyone is welcome as long as they don't use the site as a platform for bigotry. This has nothing to do with 'political beliefs'. It's about you not creating a toxic, unsafe environment for an incredibly marginalized group with your hateful and bigoted rhetoric that targets them and attempts to frame them as inferior to you.

You were given countless opportunities over the months to stop what you were doing as user after user tried to engage you civilly; but you kept repeating the exact same pattern of hateful behavior.

You being here makes raddle unsafe for people who already have very few safe spaces in this world, and it's shameful that we didn't remove you sooner. That's on me for not paying closer attention to your posts.

Because in my view of an anarchist society, people need to come to consensus by talking this stuff out.

You're not an anarchist. People who strive to marginalize certain women and work to deny them basic access to health care, women’s groups, restroom facilities, etc. don't understand what anarchy entails. But this isn't about politics. Everyone is welcome here as long as they leave their bigotries at the door. You were clearly incapable of doing that.

This is not really a political conflict to me, it's an interpersonal one.

It's not either. It's a willful bigot being banned for deliberately and repeatedly shitting on the terms that were agreed upon by the community, to spread bigotry and hateful propaganda. To make certain users feel less than. You are not an anarchist. You are not a radical. You are perpetrating the same abuse perpetrated on our users by the patriarchal, capitalist, hierarchical, cis-heteronormative empire every day of their lives.

I'll delete your data after I ban you.