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An_Old_Big_Tree wrote (edited )

More mediators would be great, but I should say that you did probably all of the things that any good mediator would have done, and I think you did a great job in a case that I thought was doomed from the start.

It's unfortunate that the first mediation was of this kind. Mediation also was introduced for long-standing users and definitely not people with two day old accounts. It's a hard case also because this person is not one of our usual fashy trolls.

I might have helped more with the thread if I had not already had a conversation with them over PM which left me with the impression that it would be useless to engage them, since for whatever reason they don't seem able or willing to comprehend that they might be wrong or that worthwhile perspectives beyond theirs exist. What I think has been extra frustrating for everyone is the way that engaging with this user is like talking to a wall. At least when other trouble users are around there is a vague sense of progression in the conversation, and an opportunity to think about their fashy comments in order to learn how to best articulate ourselves against them. So when we do here it's been quite disheartening for me that it does not get through to them at all.

I would like Raddle to be a welcoming place in which people have the opportunity to heal from the terrible harms of this world. In this instance there's been not an inch of genuine good faith from this person, so far as I can tell.

To recap; I think you have done a great job, and also, for users that aren't brand new I think you will find many more people coming to help with mediation, because mediation is for those users. There was no obvious way to engage this person and we've all tried in meaningful ways. I think.

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Pop wrote

u/untitled also did a good job of engaging with them

and many others had given it a sincere shot before going to mediation

and sending it to f/mediation itself was a sincere attempt to deal with it

people have done what they can

it's disappointing that we haven't been able to get through to this person, but we definitely have provided them with a space

problem is that's only amounted to a space for them to build a pulpit

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leftous OP wrote (edited )

I appreciate the words and support.

I really am disappointed that this was the first case dealt with. But /f/mediation did kind of serve its function here since it demonstrated that this person was not engaging honestly, and there was no way for us to proceed or engage without toxic discourse. It seems like their only goal was to prove they were being prosecuted for their ideology, and it's evidenced with their repeated insistence they would "screenshot" and capture these injustices.

Overall, I agree with your assessment, and it irritates me that I feel like the good nature and intention of the people here was taken advantage of by what amounts to a troll with grandiose thoughts about themselves

I think someone like u/untitled would be a great fit to take on a modship/mediator role if they are willing to.

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