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[POLICY] Proposal: Hide Forums from the /Forums Page Until They Have 10 Posts

Submitted by ziq in meta (edited )

We talked about this already in the matrix, but I'm proposing it here in case there are any other ideas.

To keep empty forums off of the increasingly immense forums lists, forums would only make it onto the lists once 10 submissions have been made.

Submissions to brand new forums would still show up in /all, but wouldn't be added to the /Forums page until they are proven to be viable.

It would give incentive to founders to build their forums a bit before they debut them. So many forums are made and abandoned, never getting even a single post. It clutters up the site and encourages forum squatting.

EDIT: Changed 'list' to 'lists'.

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zombie_berkman wrote

but why? /pittsburgh has 2 posts because to my knowledge im the only one that lives there so not a lot goes on. but what if someone was looking for it that also lived there. all this would lead to is spamming 10 posts to get listed

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ziq wrote (edited )

It could exclude regional forums. Everything that's put in the Regional/non-English category.

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zod wrote (edited )

It annoys me when mods have giant lists of forums they mod but don't ever post on them. I think we should demod people that mod forums they've never participated in.

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ziq wrote (edited )

This clause in the ToS kinda covers that:

Moderators that 'squat' subforums but do not contribute to their maintenance may be removed as moderators at the discretion of the site administrators.

But it says 'maintenance' so that might be open to interpretation. Would anyone mind if I went through the bigger forums and demodded users that have never participated in their forums? Especially if they mod a lot of forums and are spread thin.

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Tequila_Wolf wrote

You mean /forums/by_category ? If it's just /forums, you already have to do a lot of clicking 'next' to get to forums with 0 posts, right?

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ziq wrote (edited )

both. I don't think they can be separated.

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Tequila_Wolf wrote

This could work, but we might need to find ways to mitigate how this might negatively affect forums that are just starting up.

Related, but separately:
It might be worthwhile to have a way to retire forums that have been inactive for some time and have below a certain number of submissions, and have those no longer be listed on the forums lists - maybe on some old archival 'retired forums' list, which people could un-retire by becoming the mod for it.

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ziq wrote (edited )

This could work, but we might need to find ways to mitigate how this might negatively affect forums that are just starting up.

New forums can still be promoted in f/newforums, and submissions to them would still show up in /all. But should people even be promoting forums before they've submitted about 10 posts to them to show what purpose the forum serves and get people interested enough to subscribe?

It might be worthwhile to have a way to retire forums that have been inactive for some time and have below a certain number of submissions, and have those no longer be listed on the forums lists - maybe on some old archival 'retired forums' list, which people could un-retire by becoming the mod for it.

Yeah this is worth thinking about too.

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Tequila_Wolf wrote

Ok I support this.

Though I think there should probably be an option to see the forums that don't make the list, or there will be a bunch of ghost forums just floating around invisibly, potentially also getting in the way of people who end up trying to make the same forum again.
A retire function might resolve that.

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tranarchy wrote

I think the fact that the forums list sorts forums by number of posts already serves that purpose. You don't see the forums with <10 posts unless you specifically look for them.

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leftous wrote

Support, that list can be pretty overwhelming for new users.

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Mullvaden wrote

Do not support. How would these forums ever get 10 submissions if they can't be found? It's better then to have all new forum proposals go through some politbüro that evaluates their life force.

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ziq wrote

They would still be visible on /all. If the founder can't manage to come up with 10 submissions in a couple weeks, the forum probably doesn't need to exist.