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We Should Be More Welcoming Towards Curious Newcomers

Submitted by dele_ted in meta (edited )

For some reason, our comrades on here are becoming increasingly intolerant to newcomers and curious individuals.

I think we should be ready to explain what we stand for, and why our movement is important, as long as he is simply asking because he wants answers and isn't trying to force his own opinions onto anyone or promote an agenda.

Please, don't attack newcomers before they've proven that they're not genuinely interested, be friendly and explain to them what we stand for. If they hold fascist beliefs, give them hell.

e: striked some lines that wasn't properly thought through. emma explains it below.

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emma wrote (edited )

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dele_ted wrote

Arh fuck, you're right. I didn't think this through enough. OP of that thread contributes with nothing, and clearly didn't come to learn or understand anything at all. I still think the argument stands for many of the liberal newcomers we see on here, though.

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emma wrote (edited )

BORN TO DIE

WORLD IS A FUCK

鬼神 Kill Em All 1989

I am trash man

410,757,864,530 DEAD COPS

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anyan25 wrote (edited )

I haven't been on raddle in a hot minute so these forums could already exist, but what if we made forums dedicated to newcomers and education? I remember /r/anarchism101 being super helpful and informative when I was first getting intrigued by radical politics

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Tequila_Wolf wrote

For the most part, f/AskRaddle has fulfilled that, but there is more we could do to direct newcomers to relatively new-people-friendly portions of Raddle.

Something to work on!

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dele_ted wrote (edited )

Depends on their attitude. The Trump supporter that came along recently genuinely wanted to find out what we were doing here, who we were and what we believed in. The thread turned into nonsense chaos very quickly.

We might not be able to teach the Trump supporter anything new, but other newcomers that stumble onto the thread will feel like we're a bunch of idiots and leave in a hurry. If we want this community to grow, that's not the right way to handle genuine questions.

e: Bad wording.

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DissidentRage wrote

I do think we should rise above their expectations. Leftist thought doesn't need to drag people down with ad hominem attacks. We have the facts at our side. Shitposting feels good because they already have so much of the Internet sympathetic to them. But they also believe they have some kind of superior intellect, and that we're just riled-up moonbats who can't hold a reasoned debate. I think we should at least prove them wrong, and enlighten those we can.

Of course, the moment they do exhibit unresponsive bad faith arguments or unrepentant malice, ban 'em.

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dele_ted wrote (edited )

As i said, we probably won't get very far debating with fascists, but newcomers reading through the thread could benefit from it if it wasn't absolute chaos. Liberals is a very different story.

I'm not sure why you're calling me a brocialist with a shitty ideology, all I'm saying is that we, in general, should be friendlier to newcomers as long as they approach us with a friendly and curious attitude.

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_ziq_ wrote

they probably just assumed you were a brocialist after you used the slur

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Cartoon_Cat wrote

I don't think anyone is actively attacking newcomers, but there have been a few instances of newcomers asserting their misguided views on Raddle as if somehow the users on this forum were unaware of those arguments. If they come here with an agenda rather than an open mind of course they will be met with hostility.

I don't appreciate being policed; being told who to welcome or how to talk to people - Users of this site do not represent this site, they represent themselves. It isn't our problem if someone concludes that leftist ideas aren't worth considering because they saw a lefty being rude to a neo-nazi online once. Some people aren't ready for some of these ideas yet, and that's okay - people have to get to a certain point on their own before they can be expected to digest ideas that fly in the face of their reality.

While new users aren't expected to be experts (im new myself), it's reasonable to expect them to take the time to read around and form an argument if they disagree with something they see posted. It's pretty common to see people online getting tangled up over criticism of 'liberals' because they are stuck in their american definition which paints a 'liberal' as a 'progressive' rather than a capitalist enabler - but 5 minutes of researching "why do leftists dislike liberals?" will save a lot of hassle. If someone refuses to do their own research then what hope is there?

I don't see Raddle as a site to spoonfeed people leftist ideologies, but some people genuinely want to be told what to think. It's very healthy to challenge each other, and users on this site are able to do that well and it serves to further each person's understanding. However, in the 'real world' we are trained to take any criticism as a personal attack - so if you have a new user who is used to reddit/facebook dialogue, they will often take offence at any criticism of their ideas and devolve into name-calling as a defence mechanism.

TL;DR (couldn't resist) - we shouldn't baby new users just because they've been trained to be oversensitive. Fascists are ruled by emotion rather than rational thought, so playing their game won't get us (or them!) anywhere. Fuck their ideas, and fuck sharing a platform with them.

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dele_ted wrote

It's definitely not my intention to police, it's just a plea of sorts for people to be a little less hostile towards newcomers.

As emma said, fascists don't belong here. Liberals might be another story, and my personal experience with liberals are that they're either ignorant people who refuse to see beyond their own horizon, or people who's just grabbed onto whatever belief system they inherited from their parents or social circles. The latter is often open to new ideas, but will give up pretty quickly if he's not being met.

I hate spoonfeeding people who don't want to read too, and we of course shouldn't do that, but what we can do is link them to some resources or suggest some books to get them started. Hopefully that'll start them off, and they'll do their own reading if they find it interesting.

What I'm trying to say is, a generic "if you hold liberal beliefs, get out" isn't always the best answer. We could give them a chance. If they turn out to have an agenda, then they of course brought it on themselves, but many are satisfied with a link or two and a book suggestion.

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zombie_berkman wrote

Last time someone came with "good intentions" they were a real piece of shit