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sudo wrote

That and it wouldn't be entirely clear what the person said just by looking at the mod log, since the mod log doesn't show the text of the deleted comment. It would probably be safe to assume the person voted against the moderator, but you can't know for sure. But even if you could know for sure what the deleted comment said, it would still be a lot worse to have to hunt them all down than to do the whole thing in /f/meta.

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zombie_berkman wrote

actually they did a month ago in a highly upvoted thread. they then waited a month to stir it back up and then get the thread brigaded

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ArbitraryHuman wrote (edited )

Well, when he contested it, you promptly banned him.

”If you don't like it you are welcome to leave, or you can try to ruin the place like they currently are and get banned. Ill leave the choice to you”

https://raddle.me/f/armedleft/15747/comment/20252 Those are your words exactly. He mentioned democracy on Raddle in response, and you said:

”Im threatening to ban you because you are shittingbthr place up. So if you want to keep doing that and causing drama go ahead but you are going to get banned”

https://raddle.me/f/armedleft/15747/comment/20258 You basically banned him for contesting the rules, which isn’t exactly the point of letting people express their opinions. If anything, that’s what a bourgie would do.

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zombie_berkman wrote

and they werent banned from that. i literally banned them after the meta post for digging up old shit. but hey dont let facts get in your way

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ArbitraryHuman wrote

My apologies, I did not read the log correctly.

Nonetheless, you did threaten him with a ban for contesting the rules, and whether or not that played a role in your later decision, “bringing up old shit” as you put it, is neither against the rules nor a bannable offense.

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zombie_berkman wrote

so i can go and talk shit on maoists in their f's and not get banned?

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ArbitraryHuman wrote (edited )

That’s a strawman, and you know it. You stated you banned them for “bringing old shit up”—now you’ve decided that it was because of shit-talking [anarchists], which sudo never did in the first place.

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DissidentRage wrote

Alternate reading: you waited until a month after a popular decision was made against an action to commit the action anyway, then accuse anyone calling it of brigading based on a specific criterion that ignores the greater context.

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zombie_berkman wrote

thats a pretty hot take homie. its just weird how the whole issue was dropped for a month and the thread was +14 and now it has been heavily down voted after they brought it back up.

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DissidentRage wrote

Decisions by commenting in the forum in question can be compromised by mod behavior.

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zombie_berkman wrote

mod logs are public, you can see if that is being done. also how is that any different from saying "Decisions by commenting in meta can be compromised by brigade behavior."?

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DissidentRage wrote

On the first point, that would still constitute obfuscation because then you're expecting people to read the logs when it may not be an intuitive action. On the last point, fair enough.

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Enkara wrote

I think more autonomy for subforums is better.

I'm not a huge fan of ZB's modding of late but freedom of association means letting subforums ban peeps they don't like... if /f/armedleft generally supports ZB's modding decisions I don't really feel like it's meta's place to intercede except for like... somewhat egregious violations of shared lefty values I guess.

Basically... at the very least, having a vote about this stuff on /f/meta without having even had it in /f/armedleft first is bad praxis imo.

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sudo wrote

Let's go for meta, until we actually have forums large enough to have their own separate communities.

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not_AFX_lol wrote

We could always create a seperate forum for resolving disputes, forum policy, and mod applications and keep /meta for feature requests, design changes, and bug reports.

Just a suggestion tho

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sudo wrote

I'd do it the other way around: make a separate forum specifically for the development of Postmill, and have meta be about those other things.

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zombie_berkman wrote

forum in question otherwise its whoever can gather up the largest brigade, and they will dictate the whole site. everyone complaining now didnt give a fraction of a shit a month ago because the didnt participate in the community to begin with

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zombie_berkman wrote

so if i went to some ML sub and said lenin was a counter rev, i cant get banned because they are banning me for being an anarchist? because i didnt ban sudo for being a ML i banned them for intentionally causing trouble.