The voting period has now elapsed. The majority of votes are "no" votes, so the rule is overturned.

About a month ago, this post was made in /f/ArmedLeft, announcing that Marxist-Leninists, Marxist-Leninist-Maoists, and Stalinists would be banned from the forum if they mentioned their ideology. There were several people opposed to it, and we agreed that we should challenge the rule in /f/meta, but this was never done (until now). So, if the admins are okay with this, please vote:

Should the moderators of /f/ArmedLeft be allowed to ban Marxist-Leninists, Marxist-Leninist-Maoists, and Stalinists from their forum for the reasons they gave in this post? Leave a comment that says "yes" or "no" below (with an argument for why, if you want to).

Edit: I realize that I forgot to specify a time period for when the vote should be ended. I guess it should be one whole day after the last vote has been submitted, if everyone else is okay with that. We should probably have a separate discussion thread to standardize the rules around voting like this.

Comments

sudo OP wrote on December 18, 2017 at 10:34 PM

#22,887

I vote no, for the reasons I gave here.

ArbitraryHuman wrote on December 18, 2017 at 10:51 PM (edited on December 19, 2017 at 11:13 AM)

#22,890

I wholeheartedly vote no.

Was going to explain in edit, but someone basically wrote my thoughts already: https://raddle.me/f/armedleft/18008/comment/22944

If they should like to exclude ML/MLMs, they must implement such a rule by democratic vote. At the very least, sudo’s banning was an abuse of power.

________deleted wrote on December 18, 2017 at 11:16 PM

#22,893

Replying to chaos (#22,889)

How would you like it if you got banned from f/Lenin or f/Marxism for being a utopian?

An_Old_Big_Tree wrote on December 18, 2017 at 11:19 PM (edited on December 18, 2017 at 11:25 PM)

#22,894

Replying to sudo (#22,887)

Agreed on the point, left means left, not just anarchists. It would be a clear double standard to exclude other leftists, based on the reasoning around the f/communism debate.

I vote no. f/armedleft should rename or include all leftists.

sudo OP wrote on December 18, 2017 at 11:27 PM

#22,896

Replying to ________deleted (#22,893)

A better example would be /f/Communism, especially since that one recently had a big debate over this very thing, and they decided not to exclude based on ideology.

sudo OP wrote on December 18, 2017 at 11:28 PM

#22,897

Replying to chaos (#22,889)

If I'm not mistaken, Socialist RA is a real-life organization, not just a catch-all for guns and leftists.

PainlessEphemera wrote on December 18, 2017 at 11:31 PM (edited on December 18, 2017 at 11:32 PM)

#22,899

No. This forum is for armed leftists not armed anarchists.

not_AFX_lol wrote on December 19, 2017 at 12:56 AM

#22,904

Not unless they violate forum rules. If the mods want to make rules saying 'no direct advocacy for authoritarianism' that would be alright by me, but they shouldn't necessarily discriminate to the extent given.

zombie_berkman wrote on December 19, 2017 at 1:47 AM (edited on December 19, 2017 at 1:52 AM)

#22,908

lol op is stiring up shit. if you arent a piece of shit that calls anarchists "fascist trash" you have nothing to worry about. have fun with your ban for starting shit

sudo OP wrote on December 19, 2017 at 2:12 AM

#22,912

Replying to not_AFX_lol (#22,904)

Is this a yes or a no vote (with yes meaning they should be allowed to keep their rule)?

sudo OP wrote on December 19, 2017 at 2:15 AM

#22,913

Replying to zombie_berkman (#22,908)

I don't recall calling anarchists "fascist trash".

zombie_berkman wrote on December 19, 2017 at 2:20 AM

#22,916

Replying to sudo (#22,913)

But you are starting shit either way I don't car and I really don't think any of the other mods will care that I banned someone that's digging up month old shit

sudo OP wrote on December 19, 2017 at 2:25 AM

#22,917

Replying to zombie_berkman (#22,916)

You are the one who has "started the shit," by creating the rule that engages in guilt-by-association (and as is evidenced here, I am not alone in my concern). But let's not start a petty squabble - we've both said all that we have to say. Let the votes sort this problem out.

zombie_berkman wrote on December 19, 2017 at 2:29 AM

#22,918

Replying to sudo (#22,917)

You are proof why authoritarians arent comrades

ArbitraryHuman wrote on December 19, 2017 at 3:46 AM

#22,923

Replying to zombie_berkman (#22,918)

There are currently no records of sudo using the phrase “fascist trash” to describe anarchists. I should like to see some substantiation of your claims before I do anything to my vote.

sudo OP wrote on December 19, 2017 at 4:09 AM

#22,932

Replying to _deleted_account_5_ (#22,927)

People who would like to participate are not allowed to, for no good reason. I'd call that harm.

Enkara wrote on December 19, 2017 at 9:19 AM

#22,951

I wasn't too keen on meta meddling with /f/communism and not too keen here either...

I can't imagine the solution to conflict and factional drama like this is imposed proximity, if anything maybe just change the name of the subreddit or something.

Defasher wrote on December 19, 2017 at 9:21 AM

#22,952

They should just rename their forum to ArmedAnarchists or RedneckRevolt and this can be put to rest. Zombie-Berkman is horrible at pr.

Defasher wrote on December 19, 2017 at 9:25 AM

#22,953

Replying to sudo (#22,896)

f/communism is a default though, this is just a tiny forum with 2 or 3 users.

Enkara wrote on December 19, 2017 at 9:26 AM

#22,954

Replying to An_Old_Big_Tree (#22,894)

To be clear though, there's way more kinds of leftist than anarchist and ML(M)/Stalinist, so it's probably not so much that the mods of /f/armedleft want to make an anarchist-only club so much that they have intractable ethical issues regarding ML(M)/Stalinism.

Enkara wrote on December 19, 2017 at 9:29 AM

#22,956

Replying to PainlessEphemera (#22,899)

not_AFX_lol wrote on December 19, 2017 at 11:12 AM

#22,961

Replying to sudo (#22,912)

It is a no.

sudo OP wrote on December 19, 2017 at 1:37 PM

#22,975

Replying to Defasher (#22,952)

Or start a new one called that, yeah. This question was assuming that they aren't going to rename it. I suppose that means your answer to this question is "no"?

christobal wrote on December 19, 2017 at 1:45 PM

#22,980

Replying to zombie_berkman (#22,918)

Yet you where the one imposing authoritarian measures? Intriguing.

J7383 wrote on December 19, 2017 at 1:57 PM

#22,987

Replying to zombie_berkman (#22,918)

I think you should wait for them to actually say something authoritarian before you ban them.

ArbitraryHuman wrote on December 19, 2017 at 4:37 PM

#23,031

Replying to !deleted1665 (#23,019)

Is that a “yes” or a “no” vote?

sudo OP wrote on December 20, 2017 at 3:45 AM

#23,131

Replying to Enkara (#22,951)

This is a "yes" vote, correct?

sudo OP wrote on December 20, 2017 at 3:52 AM

#23,132

Replying to ________deleted (#22,893)

I think it's pretty easy to tell, but just to be clear, you are voting "no" on this, correct?

sudo OP wrote on December 20, 2017 at 3:53 AM

#23,133

Replying to _deleted_account_5_ (#22,927)

This is a "yes" vote, correct? I don't want to assume.

sudo OP wrote on December 20, 2017 at 3:54 AM

#23,134

Replying to zombie_berkman (#22,908)

I assume you are voting "yes" on this, since you're the one who made the rule, but you never explicitly said "yes" to this in your comments here. Should I put you down as a yes?