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A bit late, but should the mods of /f/ArmedLeft be allowed to ban Marxist-Leninists and Maoists from their forum just because of their ideology?

Submitted by sudo in meta (edited )

The voting period has now elapsed. The majority of votes are "no" votes, so the rule is overturned.


About a month ago, this post was made in /f/ArmedLeft, announcing that Marxist-Leninists, Marxist-Leninist-Maoists, and Stalinists would be banned from the forum if they mentioned their ideology. There were several people opposed to it, and we agreed that we should challenge the rule in /f/meta, but this was never done (until now). So, if the admins are okay with this, please vote:

Should the moderators of /f/ArmedLeft be allowed to ban Marxist-Leninists, Marxist-Leninist-Maoists, and Stalinists from their forum for the reasons they gave in this post? Leave a comment that says "yes" or "no" below (with an argument for why, if you want to).

Edit: I realize that I forgot to specify a time period for when the vote should be ended. I guess it should be one whole day after the last vote has been submitted, if everyone else is okay with that. We should probably have a separate discussion thread to standardize the rules around voting like this.

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emma wrote (edited )

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ArbitraryHuman wrote (edited )

I wholeheartedly vote no.

Was going to explain in edit, but someone basically wrote my thoughts already: https://raddle.me/f/armedleft/18008/comment/22944

If they should like to exclude ML/MLMs, they must implement such a rule by democratic vote. At the very least, sudo’s banning was an abuse of power.

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sudo wrote

I vote no, for the reasons I gave here.

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Tequila_Wolf wrote (edited )

Agreed on the point, left means left, not just anarchists. It would be a clear double standard to exclude other leftists, based on the reasoning around the f/communism debate.

I vote no. f/armedleft should rename or include all leftists.

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Enkara wrote

To be clear though, there's way more kinds of leftist than anarchist and ML(M)/Stalinist, so it's probably not so much that the mods of /f/armedleft want to make an anarchist-only club so much that they have intractable ethical issues regarding ML(M)/Stalinism.

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not_AFX_lol wrote

Not unless they violate forum rules. If the mods want to make rules saying 'no direct advocacy for authoritarianism' that would be alright by me, but they shouldn't necessarily discriminate to the extent given.

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PainlessEphemera wrote (edited )

No. This forum is for armed leftists not armed anarchists.

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Enkara wrote

To be clear though, there's way more kinds of leftist than anarchist and ML(M)/Stalinist, so it's probably not so much that the mods of /f/armedleft want to make an anarchist-only club so much that they have intractable ethical issues regarding ML(M)/Stalinism.

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Defasher wrote

They should just rename their forum to ArmedAnarchists or RedneckRevolt and this can be put to rest. Zombie-Berkman is horrible at pr.

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sudo wrote

Or start a new one called that, yeah. This question was assuming that they aren't going to rename it. I suppose that means your answer to this question is "no"?

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Enkara wrote

I wasn't too keen on meta meddling with /f/communism and not too keen here either...

I can't imagine the solution to conflict and factional drama like this is imposed proximity, if anything maybe just change the name of the subreddit or something.

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[deleted] wrote (edited )

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sudo wrote

If I'm not mistaken, Socialist RA is a real-life organization, not just a catch-all for guns and leftists.

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________deleted wrote

How would you like it if you got banned from f/Lenin or f/Marxism for being a utopian?

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sudo wrote

A better example would be /f/Communism, especially since that one recently had a big debate over this very thing, and they decided not to exclude based on ideology.

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sudo wrote

I think it's pretty easy to tell, but just to be clear, you are voting "no" on this, correct?

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selver wrote

Of course they should be allowed to. Create an /r/ArmedMarxists if that's what you want.

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[deleted] wrote (edited )

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sudo wrote

People who would like to participate are not allowed to, for no good reason. I'd call that harm.

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sudo wrote

This is a "yes" vote, correct? I don't want to assume.

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zombie_berkman wrote (edited )

lol op is stiring up shit. if you arent a piece of shit that calls anarchists "fascist trash" you have nothing to worry about. have fun with your ban for starting shit

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sudo wrote

I don't recall calling anarchists "fascist trash".

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zombie_berkman wrote

But you are starting shit either way I don't car and I really don't think any of the other mods will care that I banned someone that's digging up month old shit

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sudo wrote

You are the one who has "started the shit," by creating the rule that engages in guilt-by-association (and as is evidenced here, I am not alone in my concern). But let's not start a petty squabble - we've both said all that we have to say. Let the votes sort this problem out.

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zombie_berkman wrote

You are proof why authoritarians arent comrades

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ArbitraryHuman wrote

There are currently no records of sudo using the phrase “fascist trash” to describe anarchists. I should like to see some substantiation of your claims before I do anything to my vote.

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sudo wrote

I assume you are voting "yes" on this, since you're the one who made the rule, but you never explicitly said "yes" to this in your comments here. Should I put you down as a yes?